Walther G22

Red Star said:
Just forget about it.
I am going to do more searching to see why a few I have seen were done and transferred as non-restricted. I guess it could be...

a) due to the fact CFC takes time to absorb new info from RCMP
b) same person at CFC transferring them?
c) Total confusion
d) This info provided came from an overflowing sewer system LOL
You opt for d) I'll opt for a)-c).

.. I want to hear of other people and their experiences with this G22
I AM NOT POSTING ON THIS ISSUE AGAIN.

I just punched this in to my translator.

In bull####enese it comes out as :

"I-do-not-have-a-G22"

go figure.........:rolleyes:
 
Westicle said:
gee everyone.... is it just me or is redstar an assclown ??

At first I tought you were a bit quick to judge someone, but I have to say, you were right!:D

Being optimistic, I still hope to have a G22 one day!
 
Red Star said:
NVMD..

Not trolling just putting my experience in. Seems like it isn't transferrable in the current condition yet for some reason they did for me.
This isn't trolling, just relaying my experience.
It is now being reassesed which means it "may" go prohib.. there you were right but the class hasn't changed yet.. still non-restricted. RCMP has frozen all sales of them untill the final verdict is reached. There are you happy now? I got lucky pure and simple.

Red Star said:
Just forget about it.
I am going to do more searching to see why a few I have seen were done and transferred as non-restricted. I guess it could be...

a) due to the fact CFC takes time to absorb new info from RCMP
b) same person at CFC transferring them?
c) Total confusion
d) This info provided came from an overflowing sewer system LOL
You opt for d) I'll opt for a)-c).

.. I want to hear of other people and their experiences with this G22
I AM NOT POSTING ON THIS ISSUE AGAIN.
Ooohhh, good attempt at a backpedal...

"I don't know how I got so lucky, but I guess because I said it worked for me and said someone somewhere said it was all good that I was right based on my own experiences. I didn't mean to make you all think I was the man with the answers, I was just a little behind the curve but I've caught up now; seems you all may be right but I am right too so can't we all just get along."

Bull.

You're either a deliberate troll or a poor BS'er that thought he could spin some little stories and everyone would say, "Gee, that Redstar knows so much, he's a great guy - and wow, can you believe what sorta info that guy can find? Let's throw him a parade!!"

Go find a bridge or a clue or both...
 
Here we go. Straight from the CFC technical advisory. Read and weep:

Sir

Thank you for your recent inquiry about the legal status of the Walther G22. The G22 is equipped with a bull pup stock. Bull pup stocks are prohibited devices in Canada, and as such, possession of the G22 with the stock attached is in contravention to the Criminal Code of Canada. You will not find any G22’s for sale in Canada. The legal classification of the G22 is prohibited, there is no grandfather status for this firearm.

I trust this has sufficiently responded to your inquiry; if I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.



Regards,

George

George Fraser
A/Manager
Firearms Technical Advisory Group
 
Ok, and what about the dsr-1 rifle? It is a bullpup, and its not restricted.

Me thinks the Firearms Technical Advisory Group should seek advise from someone smarter than them.
 
Mr. Fraser's note doesn't make sense. He states that bullpup stocks are prohibited devices, and that possession of the G22 with stock attached is in contravention of the Criminal Code. OK. If it is the stock which is a prohibited device, the presence of the the barreled action is irrelevant. His use of the term "attached" suggests that he is aware of this. He then states that the legal classification of the G22 is prohibited. He has gone from a prohibited device (a stock) to a prohibited firearm. This is quite a leap because a prohibited device is not a prohibited firearm. There are procedures for declaring a firearm to be prohibited but there does not appear to have been any such process applied here.
 
vitriol said:
Ok, and what about the dsr-1 rifle? It is a bullpup, and its not restricted.

Me thinks the Firearms Technical Advisory Group should seek advise from someone smarter than them.

It's a bullpup rifle. The law only states that bullpup stocks are prohibited. The reason that the dsr is legal is that it cannot be fired without the bullpup stock. The G22 can fire with it's stock removed which makes the stock prohibited.

Confusing isn't it.

The whole G22 case is under appeal which is why a person who owns a G22 with stock can still own it. But you cannot transfer nor aquire a G22 at this time.
 
wobbles99 said:
It's a bullpup rifle. The law only states that bullpup stocks are prohibited. The reason that the dsr is legal is that it cannot be fired without the bullpup stock. The G22 can fire with it's stock removed which makes the stock prohibited.

Confusing isn't it.

The G22 can be fired without the stock? You sure about that?
Confusing? Hell yes:mad:
 
In the case of the one that I tried to have transfered which is kind of half way there, the case of the G22 is going to the courts this Christmas. Hopefully my transfer will finally be completed.
 
Red Star said:
Funny as they never changed the status on the FRT. .. These guys are BSing.
oh, look at Greentips pet peeves section too while your searching.
It speaks...and it's not saying much...you realize the people that you say ar 'BSing' are the people empowered to interpret the law?

BS'ing is what you do, when you say something outlandish that you can't in any way back up.

The above quote isn't BS, it's backed up by the fact that, contrary to what you claimed/retracted/obfuscated, these rifles aren't being sold, can't be transfered, and potentially could be seized. That's kinda the opposite of BS.

I don't like it, but that's the way it is...
 
Which version of the FRT? The latest one available to volunteer verifiers dated Sept. '05, or the one currently used internally by the CFC?
 
Red Star said:
Funny as they never changed the status on the FRT. .. These guys are BSing.
oh, look at Greentips pet peeves section too while your searching.

SUre they are bs-ing.

Oh and is this what you are talking about?

Bullpup Rifles are not prohibited. So no one liner post like "bullpup = prohib" Go with the collective intelligence of CGN

Because this is true. Bullpup rifles are not prohibited. We already brought up this with the DSR-1 shown here:

dsr-1.jpg


Notice that the reciever is the part that makes this a bullpup. This is non restricted.

Now bullpup stocks on the other hand are specifically named as a prohibited device. T

Now re-read the letter and you see why you are full of ####.

The G22 is equipped with a bull pup stock. Bull pup stocks are prohibited devices in Canada, and as such, possession of the G22 with the stock attached is in contravention to the Criminal Code of Canada

If you still don't think it's true you may want to check these sites out:

http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/special_bull.html

Notice how it mention's that the stock is prohibited. Also notice how it's the RCMP who have determined it.
Or how about this site from the CFC:

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/compliance-conformite/bulletins/verifier/bulletin1_e.asp
Walther G22 Firearms

Version 3.3 of the FRT indicates that the Walther G22 is a non-restricted firearm with a “Bullpup design”. Please disregard that entry. New information on this firearm reveals that it is currently being manufactured with an actual bull-pup stock, which is listed as a prohibited device in Criminal Code Regulations. This type of stock reduces the overall length of the firearm by placing a substantial part of the reloading action or the magazine well behind the trigger of the firearm when the firearm is held in the normal firing position.

Since individuals cannot possess prohibited devices, they cannot possess this firearm in its current configuration. Businesses may possess it only if they are licensed to possess prohibited devices for an approved purpose.
Affected businesses and individuals will be contacted with information about their options.

Maybe all of the CFC is mistaken.
 
i know this is going out on a limb trying to get something that probebly isnt there but does anyone have an clue at all why the government has decided that bullpup stocks are prohib but bull pup rifles arnt ? how are they any differnt or more dangerous then a standard monte-carlo or choate stock ?
 
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