Wanstall's finally responds;

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GunsNotPuns said:
And this is why I always roll my eyes at pre-orders offered by retailers -- whether they have a good reputation or not or are CGN site sponsors. So many times these things go tits up you'd think people would learn the lesson.

Of course, I'm guilty of it as well -- I participated in Wanstall's M1 Garand pre-order from James River last year. That at least worked out well.
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the problem is if you don't go in on the pre order you have to wait 12 to 18 months before you can actually place a regular order , by that time good luck finding quality mags or quality accessories for that gun, sold out everywhere. Oh tons of ncstar taco stuff yah...

Look at the bcl102 they are still in preorders, people have received their rifles yet still we are in preorders for future batches, and it's been 5 months now
 
mikethebike said:
never bought from tse after what he did to me
have you?
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No, and it's still open and doing well. To be clear there is no reason I haven't bought anything from them. I just haven't yet.

cr5 said:
Same here, I haven't spent a dime at TSE since the SA crap went down.
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Yet they are still open. You're dimes aren't even relevant.

See?

It doesn't matter what a handful of sucky little children say on a gun forum with maybe 3000 active users in a country with millions of gun owners/buyers but keep kicking and screaming since you don't seem to care how bad you look.

Now, I'm about to buy a Cadex chassis for one of my rifles and Wanstalls has it so.... there you go.
 
Hitzy said:
It's worse then that, like he was never even in the US "Secret Special Forces" as he claims, let alone Vietnam.
He spouted all that #### off on CGN, got researched and exposed. Now he only spouts it to the gullibles in his shop.
I remember a few threads...one where he claimed the "little g***s would do backflips when you shot them with a .45 because it's so powerful" and another where "cows would fly 20 feet when you shot them with a .50" again because it's so powerful.
A brief lesson in physics shut him up, but it literally had to be explained like you were talking to a 10 year old for him to get it. Apparently he knew more about physics then Newton...
I would never buy or believe anything from that guy.
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Wow, that's some pretty crazy sh*t, I'm disgusted to say the least, he should hang his head pretty fkn low in shame !
 
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I for one....and would not speak for anyone else....will never buy from TSE.
The number I heard from a mod, was 8-10k of almost 200k CGN members active at any time.

A small number, but a group with a lot of disposable income, when annoyed able to Turf Marc Holland. Where is Marstar? Took alot of horrendous comments and a epic shady deal.....

Margins are small, we have a large outdoors retailer, WSS, going down. As one employee said, online. I now live very remote, on a Ferry right now, to a community with very little retail outdoor variety. Brick and mortar shooting specialty stores will eventually go the way of Video stores.

A few posts up, a posted release, dated October 12. M$M announced they had come to a agreement with Wanstalls. To me that spells out a process/agreement made to Wanstalls. Pretty clear who is at fault here, and Wanstalls fault lies with trusting the word of someone untrustworthy.

That release and this gong show.....M&M is never seeing any of my money, I won't even buy a used/discounted one off the EE. How does one trust a company like that for warranty, would they even exist to ask for warranty.
 
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D 23 said:
So you were about to post their profit report for the last five years and just forgot or...?
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Are you actually saying losing just a few customers is irrelevant?

Every single customer loss is relevant, every single 1.

I have my own personal intifada against a certain company and individual that has been the reason one of my rifle has gone nr-prohib-amnedtied-nr and now likely prohib again. It is my life goal to see a certain company and individual declare bankruptcy.
 
Deathrawt said:
Not sure if I should put the deposit towards a bcl 102 or just take the refund. I don't blame Wanstalls for doing this I wouldn't want to lose a bunch of money either.
I wonder how many ak mags are gonna be for sale on the EE lol
It's too bad things turned out the way they did I actually really wanted this rifle. Just have to decide if I wanna pony up 2G for it I guess
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Take the refund, if you want a 102, buy somewhere else
 
D 23 said:
Yet they are still open. You're dimes aren't even relevant.

Now, I'm about to buy a Cadex chassis for one of my rifles and Wanstalls has it so.... there you go.
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I know that one or two people not shopping there anymore won't put them out of business but I have ethics and morals so when a company screws over a whole community in an attempt to put his competition out of business I will not support that company any longer. It doesn't matter if they don't feel it, at least I know I'm not supporting a douchebag.
There's always somewhere else to shop and I'll shop anywhere but TSE now.

Wanstalls made a mistake for sure but their mistake was trusting the word of a slimeball who turned around and screwed them over, obviously M+M told them just like they told us that they would work with Wanstalls to protect the preorder guys and then behind their back went to NS and abandoned Wanstalls leaving them to deal with the fallout from the preorder.
Wanstalls mistake was not an act of malice or spite, they were trying to do the right thing for themselves and for us and they got burned just like the preorder guys did.
Wanstalls jumping in and trying to undercut CA is just business, CA may not like it but if you're a business owner and you can get a product cheaper than your competition allowing you to sell it at a lower price which brings more customers to your store you do it. That's just business, you win some you lose some.

You could always order your new chassis through P&D in Edmonton, they carry Cadex and usually have a bunch in stock.
There's always options if you don't want to shop somewhere.
 
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Brian46 said:
Take the refund, if you want a 102, buy somewhere else
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This is my thought. Why get a 102 through Wanstalls when the price is the same at SFRC? Why give them your money on another "assured" pre order? Yes I'm soured. Not whining just don't see any upside to the options provided and pissed that I trusted them. Not to mention being out additional $$$ in accessories for my "assured" product.
 
skooch said:
This is my thought. Why get a 102 through Wanstalls when the price is the same at SFRC? Why give them your money on another "assured" pre order? Yes I'm soured. Not whining just don't see any upside to the options provided and pissed that I trusted them. Not to mention being out additional $$$ in accessories for my "assured" product.
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There are other rifles that use AK mags, you could always buy one of them or just sell the mags.
If you bought a scope so what, use it on something else or keep it for the next rifle you buy.
I understand that this situation sucks but from my perspective the only company we should be mad at is M+M, they lied to you and they lied to Wanstalls.
You've always got the option to buy an M10x through NS dealer network for a few hundred more, if you were ok with $1500 plus all the money you spent on accessories for a rifle you didn't even have I'm sure you can afford another $500.
I know, it's the principal of it, got a taste at $1500 so now $2000 is too much.
I won't be buying one, not because of the price but because of the owner of the company.
 
If wanstalls never publicly stated that they would honor their presale, didnt try to sell their AK scope, and had waited until they had the full story before making any public promises, i dont think many people would have been so mad. By not honouring their pre sale after promising they would it shows the community that when it comes down to it, they will not stand behind their verbal agreement any stronger then M+M.
 
mikethebike said:
Are you actually saying losing just a few customers is irrelevant?

Every single customer loss is relevant, every single 1.

I have my own personal intifada against a certain company and individual that has been the reason one of my rifle has gone nr-prohib-amnedtied-nr and now likely prohib again. It is my life goal to see a certain company and individual declare bankruptcy.
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As someone who has run his own business, as well as worked retail, I can tell you that what you said here is 100% wrong. People just tell you every customer matters to make you feel important. Remember, for every one of you that decides to not to shop there, there will be a new individual who enters the firearms world in Canada, knows nothing about the situation, and will shop there.

skooch said:
This is my thought. Why get a 102 through Wanstalls when the price is the same at SFRC? Why give them your money on another "assured" pre order? Yes I'm soured. Not whining just don't see any upside to the options provided and pissed that I trusted them. Not to mention being out additional $$$ in accessories for my "assured" product.
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Because last time I checked, SFRC isn't offering you 10% off your purchase. But hey, it's your money.
 
cabose369 said:
As someone who has run his own business, as well as worked retail, I can tell you that what you said here is 100% wrong. People just tell you every customer matters to make you feel important. Remember, for every one of you that decides to not to shop there, there will be a new individual who enters the firearms world in Canada, knows nothing about the situation, and will shop there.
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We will give a free reminder
 
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