Wanstall's finally responds;
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M+M told wanstalls a price for the gun, bought by wanstalls directly from them. With that info, wanstalls set up a pre order, factoring in an appropriate markup for themselves. There is no way wanstalls would just make up a price, that makes zero sense.
M+M then said they had not decided on a Canadian MSRP, but wanstalls would be able to honor the presale.
Then m+m changed their minds on their distribution plans, throwing wanstalls under the bus in the process.
MSRP is just that, a suggested price. Very few things sell for msrp, and dealers don't pay msrp either. Msrp includes a cut for everyone involved in selling the rifle (manufacturer, dealer, distributor). Also, US guns get hit with an 11% excise tax we don't pay which would be in the US msrp.
CanAm suggested $2000-2400 months if not years ago. They also told us the reason it was so high is m+m promised US investors they would jack up international prices to subsidize US sales.
As a comparison, a savage axis has a US msrp of $368, and can be had for $450cad at most (and they can be had on sale for less than the US msrp) That's only a 22% increase. M+M's price is a 68% increase. Even the XCR is less than 50% increase from us msrp to Canadian sale prices, and the mark up on those is steep.
What’s funny about that? He will be compensated. 10% off if he wants. I guess Wanstalls thinks he should be compensated too. Is that funny? What is your point? Other than being an a$$?
Simple question and I'm sure there's a simple answer from a business perspective but I'm not seeing it. Why did they even bother with a pre order in the first place? Did wanstalls need capital for their deposit for the manufacturer or something ? These rifles would have flown off the shelves in one day I'm sure.
I kept track of all the threads i either missed this or it was never considered ? Just wondering .
I kept track of all the threads i either missed this or it was never considered ? Just wondering .
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Lol @ liberal mindset.
Little boy, you don't know me. I'm the farthest thing from.
I have COMMON SENSE.
I think I will watch this play out. May you fade to pink quickly.
So tell me what is your side of imagination then. Lol.
sometimes principle .... i was not able to purchase one as i wanted to deal with canam (more dream of it that buy it lol) but i was interested by it ... of course no more ...
Why should it be more? The only people that created drama was us being impatient, it was a few days of wondering what was going on for something that in the big picture means nothing and affects no one in a negative way. You didn't have one before and you still don't have one. What did you lose after all was said and done? Nothing, you get your $250 back and can move on in life. Adding the 10% off your next purchase if you roll the $250 to store credit was more than they had to do. These are the risks you take jumping into a pre-order for a rifle that hasn't even been manufactured yet by a hole in the wall company that has one item in their catalog.
Just curious, has anyone called or emailed Wanstalls and demanded that they follow through on their promises? They did state it more than once that people didn't need to worry and that they would honor the price.
It's been discussed already that Wanstalls screwed up by promising to deliver without a contract from M+M but if you think about it anyone on the pre-order list had what could be considered a contract and Wanstalls broke the contract. They advertised on their site and the guys that jumped on the good deal deposited their money to seal the contract. Wanstalls may have backtracked later and closed the pre-order and stated that it was a mistake but the guys that jumped in were told their deposit for the advertised price would be honored.
Even if they have to buy them through NS they would still get dealer pricing which would probably mean that at most they lose $100 per rifle. If retail is $2000 then dealer pricing can't be much higher than $1500.
I'd really like to hear what they had to say if someone threatened to get a lawyer involved. Would a tiny financial loss to deliver what they promised now be worth the trade off later when people have the choice between retailers and choose to go elsewhere after walking away from this mad?
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Those that deposited the pre-order money should get their rifles at the agreed-on price. Wanstalls DOES have a contract with those buyers - and backing out because the supplier changes their mind on who distributes the rifles is NOT (I believe) a legal reason to cancel the contract. In the retail business, advertising at one price - then selling at a higher price for whatever reason - is called a bait-and-switch, and it is illegal under Federal law.
Wanstalls has to choose between losing a few thousand dollars OR losing the goodwill and good reputation they've built up over the years. I'm not the owner, so I can't say what option A would do to the business, but option B is going to cost them a LOT of future sales.
It takes a long time to build up a good business reputation, it doesn't take much (especially in the social media era) to destroy it.
BTW, I didn't pre-order one of these rifles.
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so...... can we take them at their word for anything now?
Your choice. I’m guessing a lot of people won’t now. Even if they did have a change of heart and decided to do what’s right, the damage is done. It’s easy to dismiss it for those not on the preorder.
I wouldn't give them $1000 for this rifle now. With the way they conduct business I predict they are out of business within two years. They have poor sales in the US and now that they've f'd us around they won't sell a lot of rifles here. Once they are out of business you are SOL for parts and warranty support.
Honestly, who in their right mind would pay $2000 for a x39 surplus flinger? At least with an XCR-L you can get caliber conversions and it's been around long enough that you know what to expect. These are a total mystery built by a company that has no history.
To be fair to Wanstalls it sounds like they were misled or lied to by M+M as well, they may have taken some unclear information and ran with it in the beginning trying to undercut Canada Ammo but once M+M spoke up and got involved all they had to go on was what M+M told them which was that the pre-sale price would be honored. They are in full damage control mode now. What will sway my future purchases will be how they handle the next few days and if they make an option for the pre-sale guys to actually get them their guns as promised from NS even if it means a small loss for them.
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That's it. Wantsalls has to pick an employee to commit seppeku. I will never buy from them again unless I see a disembowed worker. Then I want the ceo to beg me for forgiveness and I want him to buy me 3 m10xs out of his kids college fund. Then I'll be happy.
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