warning about a scammer

I also noted increased activity of just registered users selling cheap Garands and even "restricted" AKs.
So how do those scammers work? I understand that if I send EMT then my money is gone, but will MO/Cert cheque could make this transaction safe? Basically, what is the safe way to conduct transaction?
 
Mo/cert cheque dont work either, as there's no recourse of action after the cash it.

The only way I can think of that would be somewhat safer is COD; but even then, you might be getting a box of rocks upon arrival (if your CP staff are okay with it, might be able to open the package prior to accepting it).
 
Horilka said:
I also noted increased activity of just registered users selling cheap Garands and even "restricted" AKs.
So how do those scammers work? I understand that if I send EMT then my money is gone, but will MO/Cert cheque could make this transaction safe? Basically, what is the safe way to conduct transaction?
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I don't think there's an entirely safe way. If the check clears (He will want to wait for it to clear before 'shipping') and he empties the money from the account it will be a nightmare. EMT, Money Order, bank transfer, Western Union, nothing is totally safe.

(FRAUD ALERT) might be an option because they provide 30 days buyer protection, however you'll pay an extra 4% and there's a good chance the seller won't take this form of payment. Another problem is that (FRAUD ALERT) doesn't like gun owners and you're not supposed to pay for gun items with it so that might void the buyer protection.

I would say just not to buy from new members if something seems fishy, getting scammed is always one of the risks of that sort of deal. A local pickup in exchange for cash deal would be the best situation, but that can have obvious risks as well if you're dealing with someone really shady.

Even if you know who the guy is, the police are unlikely to do anything about this type of scam if you're ripped off and most people never recover the money despite their efforts. Sadly, this sort of thing happens all the time.

-Steve
 
Steve1987 said:
(FRAUD ALERT) might be an option because they provide 30 days buyer protection, however you'll pay an extra 4% and there's a good chance the seller won't take this form of payment. Another problem is that (FRAUD ALERT) doesn't like gun owners and you're not supposed to pay for gun items with it so that might void the buyer protection.
-Steve
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I didn't know (FRAUD ALERT) doesn't like gun owners. I've bought a few items off Ebay with (FRAUD ALERT), but they were only gun related accessories, perhaps the folks at (FRAUD ALERT) can't tell....

But (FRAUD ALERT)'s buyer protection works so well that some folks who buy items and pay with (FRAUD ALERT) have been known to use it to get their money back. For example, I read on a truck forum that one individual sold a set of rims to another person. When the buyer got the rims, he removed the "good" product and took pictures of some rusty old wheels in the shipping boxes and used them to complain to (FRAUD ALERT) and get all his money back. The seller didn't have pictures of the packages before sending them, so he had no way to fight back. Most he would have gotten is the rusty old wheels that (FRAUD ALERT) thought were his because of a crooked buyer.
 
ssapach said:
I didn't know (FRAUD ALERT) doesn't like gun owners. I've bought a few items off Ebay with (FRAUD ALERT), but they were only gun related accessories, perhaps the folks at (FRAUD ALERT) can't tell....

But (FRAUD ALERT)'s buyer protection works so well that some folks who buy items and pay with (FRAUD ALERT) have been known to use it to get their money back. For example, I read on a truck forum that one individual sold a set of rims to another person. When the buyer got the rims, he removed the "good" product and took pictures of some rusty old wheels in the shipping boxes and used them to complain to (FRAUD ALERT) and get all his money back. The seller didn't have pictures of the packages before sending them, so he had no way to fight back. Most he would have gotten is the rusty old wheels that (FRAUD ALERT) thought were his because of a crooked buyer.
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(FRAUD ALERT) seems to have always had a no guns policy, but if you're discrete and don't mention the guns it's fine. The problem would be what happens if a problem arises, I doubt the buyer security will apply for something you weren't suppose to buy using the service?

I try to avoid (FRAUD ALERT) because of their anti-gun stand but e-bay has made it basically unavoidable at times.

I've also heard of buyers ripping off the sellers on (FRAUD ALERT). This is becoming a huge problem on e-bay.

Buy and selling online seems to have unavoidable risks, but 99% of time things are fine. The best success strategy seems to be dealing with only credible sellers with good feedback and good communication.

-Steve
 
Steve1987 said:
I don't think there's an entirely safe way. If the check clears (He will want to wait for it to clear before 'shipping') and he empties the money from the account it will be a nightmare. EMT, Money Order, bank transfer, Western Union, nothing is totally safe.
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I mean, let's say I send certified cheque with the name of the person on it. It's actually like cash, no need to wait for clearing. And I send it to same person's name and address via snail mail. Scammer would need ID on that name to deposit the cheque in bank, right? And even if he's real person bearing this name and does not want to send goods back, then - how hard for the police is to find him? Am I right or am I overlooking something?
 
IIIIII said:
Assuming that's the one for sale on Used Guns for $900 right now its a scam (most of the military surplus "deals" on there are). Either that or the fellow you're communicating with bought it from a guy in California last month and is using his pictures. These turned these up with a google reverse image search:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=875695
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=710922
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=101274
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How do you do a reverse image search?
 
koesdibyo is absolutely right.

More often than not you know who the scammer is, their full name, phone number, where they live, ect.

But there's nothing you can do 99% of time. File a report, call the police, nothing really happens and you're still out the money.

Go collect the money yourself and you'll be the one in jail.

This is the sad truth. Very few people ever recover the money from a scam even if they know who did it.

-Steve
 
Steve1987 said:
koesdibyo is absolutely right.

More often than not you know who the scammer is, their full name, phone number, where they live, ect.

But there's nothing you can do 99% of time. File a report, call the police, nothing really happens and you're still out the money.

Go collect the money yourself and you'll be the one in jail.

This is the sad truth. Very few people ever recover the money from a scam even if they know who did it.

-Steve
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Damn, I'm so naive, I thought it's a crime like stealing and should be prosecuted...
 
I think there might also be ways to cash cheques at those payday loan type places. If its what I'm thinking, they charge you a percentage of the amount, all you have to do is scribble a name on the back to endorse it and probably have some sort of ID to match.


Horilka said:
I mean, let's say I send certified cheque with the name of the person on it. It's actually like cash, no need to wait for clearing. And I send it to same person's name and address via snail mail. Scammer would need ID on that name to deposit the cheque in bank, right? And even if he's real person bearing this name and does not want to send goods back, then - how hard for the police is to find him? Am I right or am I overlooking something?
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IIIIII said:
Assuming that's the one for sale on Used Guns for $900 right now its a scam (most of the military surplus "deals" on there are). Either that or the fellow you're communicating with bought it from a guy in California last month and is using his pictures. These turned these up with a google reverse image search:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=875695
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=710922
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=101274
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Reverse Image! Now that is cool! Glad I atleast learned something today :) lol Thanks
 
I love how each picture has a different background. Slings in different positions. Picture qualities differ. Besides all that it looks like someone reparked the barrel while it was attached to the receiver as the chamber is is all parked doh!
 
Since this is kind of on topic here is my latest EE incident:

I saw a decent vz58 going for 650$ with 500 rds through, nothing incredible as I got a BNIB one for slightly above that, I offer the guy 20$ for shipping cost he accepts immediatly, should of been a red flag but I ended up sending emt anyways. The individual told me he would ship it in the next two days but 6 days passed no tracking number or log ins on CGN.

I ended up contacting every member who left him feedback (2) to see if they had him phone number, then just this friday when I was about to go to file fraud/theft report he answers me. According to him he refunded me as he could not find a box to ship it in. Needless to say no emt notification what so ever, I was very polite and understanding (of course he still had my money) and ask him for the transfer number so I could contact my bank, 5 hours later he was nice enough to send it AGAIN , how nice of him.

So guys be careful I did not lose money on this but passed on a 800$ T97 as I already bought 2 rifles this week, plus sold one rifle to make room for the VZ58 and all that for nothing.

--PA--
 
Yup I was certainely very very polite to get my refund, what sounds even more fishy to me he claims he sent emt , 4 hours later still notification then claims to resend it and 5 minutes later I have the funds

To me the only plausible explanation is buddy has A) seller remorse or B) he used me as a next paycheck loan in both cases what a POS
 
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