Most business have operating budgets with funds allocated well in advance of the hiring process. They know how much is allocated or available but just won't tell you. Why would I waste time selling myself when the budget may not even fall into what would be my theoretical acceptable salary range? If you think that they don't already know exactly what they are willing or able to pay, regardless of how well you sell yourself, you are out to lunch.
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i have a gun for sale. most bits on it are grey, but some bits are black. it doesn't function all that well, but it does have a a nice aftermarket trigger, handguard, grip and stock. just give me your credit card number and i'll charge whatever i want for it.
great, you passed the test. you start work tomorrow and your wages are $15.01 per hour.
Exactly. As a long career in sales/business management and being a business owner this point is exactly why there is no need for a salary range. The best candidates will ask that question once they pass muster. If people seem to think that the extra time it takes is wasted... They have NOT spent any time on the hiring side of a negotiation. That is when you weed out the bad or fake and find the better options. Time is never wasted on research during the hiring period.
you know... regardless what ppl's opinions are. TI already received extensive exposure simply by posting a controversial recruiting ad...
at this point the pool of prospective candidates for both qualified and unqualified individuals would be more than a less controversial ad with less traffic...
therefore it would be more beneficial to the recruiter to draw from a bigger pool of candidates and more competitive for the ones who apply
if I'm a prospective I would worry more on how to stand out from the rest if I'm really after this position... of course that's just my 2 cents.
at this point the pool of prospective candidates for both qualified and unqualified individuals would be more than a less controversial ad with less traffic...
therefore it would be more beneficial to the recruiter to draw from a bigger pool of candidates and more competitive for the ones who apply
if I'm a prospective I would worry more on how to stand out from the rest if I'm really after this position... of course that's just my 2 cents.
How could anyone want that position without having some idea what the pay range is?
and what are the benefits and is there any signing bonus??
In todays economy the person you are looking for is already working some where else..
I’m a better negotiator than that.
And it won’t be an hourly rate
It’s salary plus...
Without an open and honest showing of the starting wage or salary and the possibility of performance raises or bonus money it shows a lack of trustability in an employer. If you can't post the most basic of info that people seeking jobs look at first, you're a chiseler and you younger people take that as a warning from experience shared by many here.
Based on the comments on here the only reason I would post this job on here is for the PAL requirement.
The majority here are more concerned with per hour pay and salary, this is not the type of person you want selling for you.
It's a salary plus position. If you can't sell yourself in the application process, you are wasting your time. And this type of work is not for you.
If that is too scary, just don't apply.
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Is it really a "sales" position if you are just taking orders over the phone/internet?
Sounds like an order fulfilment position. Sales are commission, no mention of commission in the ad, just salary.
Sounds like an order fulfilment position. Sales are commission, no mention of commission in the ad, just salary.
Did you read the ad?
There are order takers and then there are inside salespeople.
Using Pareto's 80-20, say 80% are order takers, content to collect their wage, do the minimum required, and wait for employee discounts. That leaves 20% as salespeople who see an opportunity.
Breaking down further, 4% (20% of 20%) are true salespeople who when times are slow will get on the phone or interweb or smoke signals or head to the range and seek out new business. They know the LVC (lifetime value of a customer) is NOT on the initial front end sale, but repeatedly serving a customer, known as the back end.
They'll make the time and effort to develop a database of their customers. They'll stay in touch regularly with their customers -- birthdays, holidaze, whatever. Those better at serving their customers (0.8%) will receive invitations to customers' weddings, bat mitzvahs, and christenings.
And that's only the sales part. Let's interrupt this post to return to our regularly scheduled CGN complain fest.
Using Pareto's 80-20, say 80% are order takers, content to collect their wage, do the minimum required, and wait for employee discounts. That leaves 20% as salespeople who see an opportunity.
Breaking down further, 4% (20% of 20%) are true salespeople who when times are slow will get on the phone or interweb or smoke signals or head to the range and seek out new business. They know the LVC (lifetime value of a customer) is NOT on the initial front end sale, but repeatedly serving a customer, known as the back end.
They'll make the time and effort to develop a database of their customers. They'll stay in touch regularly with their customers -- birthdays, holidaze, whatever. Those better at serving their customers (0.8%) will receive invitations to customers' weddings, bat mitzvahs, and christenings.
And that's only the sales part. Let's interrupt this post to return to our regularly scheduled CGN complain fest.
right, you're great negotiator, that's why you passed the test.
but the wages are $15.01/hr.
Another guy focused on the hourly wage. You are not working at a gun counter. lol
Not worth applying for and writing a cover letter, thats coming from someone with a professional career currently on the go.
If you're looking for professionals, you need to post a starting range. If I sniff a potential raise only then is it worth it for me to invest in applying.
Otherwise I'll just forget about this job posting and take my skills further in the field I am in and keep the passion for guns as a hobby.
Keep in mind there will be little room for advancement in a position like this at a company like Tactical Imports, in a likelihood.
If you're looking for professionals, you need to post a starting range. If I sniff a potential raise only then is it worth it for me to invest in applying.
Otherwise I'll just forget about this job posting and take my skills further in the field I am in and keep the passion for guns as a hobby.
Keep in mind there will be little room for advancement in a position like this at a company like Tactical Imports, in a likelihood.
Which you've never done in your life, based on the grammar and idiocy you've posted in this thread. There are so few people here who have real firearms sales experience, its not realistic to expect someone to have directly related experience to this position.
General customer service over a phone line is arduous work, especially when it involves working with clients that come across like you do.
Why are you so butt hurt about no salary range?
Don't apply if it's that much of an issue for you sweetie. Stick to your "professional career" that you have on the go. lol
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