Weatherby Vanguard or Remington 700

Vangard trigger sucks, buy a timney for about $100.
SPS stock sucks, buy an HS for about $350.

The sps with stock upgrade would be a good rifle, as the vangard with trigger upgrade is a fine rifle, either rifle without upgrade, is just a cheap average rifle.
 
Resurrecting my dead thread here but.... the price im looking at is around 5-600 for the SPS with no scope or rings or the vanguard for 699.99 with a bushnell elite 3200
 
Remington SPS for around $540, or stainless for $620, and they have a $40 rebate right now...

Vanguard with a 3200 for $699 is a deal as well, or Frontier still has the Howa stainless for $539, same action/barrel as the vanguard...

http://www.frontiertaxidermy.com/html/rifles.html

There's always lots of used .300WM floating around...
 
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mackillan said:
What is the difference between an "overbore" and a "magnum."
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30 second internet search resulted this nice explanation of overbore.


“In the simplest terms, a very big case pushing a relatively small diameter bullet is acknowledged as the classic overbore design. But it’s not just large powder capacity that creates an overbore situation–it is the relationship between powder capacity and barrel bore diameter. Looking at those two factors, we can express the ‘Overbore Index’ as a mathematical formula — the case capacity in grains of water divided by the area (in square inches) of the bore cross-section. This gives us an Index which lets us compare various cartridge designs.”


70+ grains of powder pushing a .257" projectile is a great example of an overbore cartridge.
70+ grains of powder pushing a .308" projectile is a great example of a magnum cartridge.
 
alright...i had an sps loved the gun ,will pick an other one up some day.and they are very true about the stock on them,big time thumbs down on that.the weatherby Van one has one thing that makes me pounder about.that is the sub M.O.A ones,to me that means all the good shooters are all pulled out of the line up and going to cost you to have them.
 
Flywire I'm not sure where you are getting this Vanguard with the Elite 3200 from but like Marba said the one that comes in the combo deal is a Bushnell Banner you can buy them on EE or WSS or Cabela's/SIR for 80 dollars. I have shot both rifles you are considering alot. If I was buying a 300 Win Mag I would want a 26 inch barrel. So that take the Vanguard right out of the pictures. But if you are looking for a 24 inch barrel for easier moving around in the woods then the Vanguard is the easy pick. As for which is better really both have there plus's and minus's. Everyone on here is #####ing about how the SPS stock is crap. Well the vanguard one is really no better I think its as bad if no worse. Triggers on Vanguards are junk I have seen 5 or 6 that my friends have bought all the triggers where heavy and creeping junk and had to be replaced with a timney trigger. Personally I would buy the Remington 700 SPS and get the extra 2 inchs of barrrel. Good luck let us all know what you do.
 
Icon said:
I own a Howa 1500 which is basically the same as the Vanguards. Same action, but Weatherby puts their own barrel on them.
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Are you sure about that? What I had been told is that Weatherby brings in Howa barreled actions and just adds the stock in the US. But what I have "heard" is just hearsay unless anyone knows differently.
 
I have both 700's and a Vanguard. My sub-moa vangaurd has a way nicer stock than my stainless bld 700. The trigger in the vangaurd is complete junk and cost me about $130 to replace it with a Timney. 1 screw and about 3 min worth of work and you can replace it. Couldnt be easier.
Both have their ups and downs and i'll continue to purchase both but I think what it comes down to is how it fits you, if you like the weatherby monte carlo stock (will hurt if you in a large calibre if you shoot off a bench), or how much you want to spend on upgrading it. Half the fun of a 700 is tuning it and adding extras.
 
Sub moa vs. non sub moa

The sub moa option came after weatherby introduced the vanguard, so orginaly alot of rifles came with 3 shot targets that were less than one moa... like mine.
The only thing about the Vanguard I do not like is the safety. I sometimes switch back and forth from a right or left shoulder carry if I am walking on uneven ground or climbing at all, and it doesnt work well at all for that.. It is a great gun for the price, but I still like my brownings alot better.. tang safety rules for a hunting rifle
 
Even though I have been historically a Remington Guy, I would have to say the Vanguard. The Howa 1500 barreled actions (of which the Vanguard is) have excellent quality control, and are actually quite a nice design. I don't like the "dog-leg" stock though. The new Remingtons, on the other hand,seem to be substantially rougher than they used to be, and the Remington safety is always an issue. I would not recommend a Remington 700 any more unless the safety had been replaced with the Gentry 3 position type (I was having issues with mine, where I would push the safety off, press the trigger only to find that the gun would not go off, and push the safety further only to have the gun then go off..........didn't happen all the time, but WOW!) The Gentry safety fixed an otherwise beautiful gun. Mayby I'm the kind of guy who would have issue with any safety that didn't block the firing pin though; hence I would also eventually want the one one the vanguard replaced.
Mike
 
I bought a Vanguard on a smoking deal [under $500.00] a while back in 300 WSM. I am a Remington guy, through & through, but I'll give my observations as objectively as possible. 1. Hated the stock. Replaced it with a Laminated one...much better, but I would have preferred a more "Classic" profile stock. Hated the trigger, adjusted as best possible, still crappy in my opinion. Will replace with Timney this spring. Loved the way it shot, It's not a sub moa model, but with two handloads (one 165 grain & one 180 grain Partition) it shot sub moa without much hassel. Barrel cleans up easily and looks good inside with a borescope. Blued metal is nicer than the "rougher" finish of the SPS. SPS sports the extra 2" of barrel length in the Magnum offerings, for what that is worth. Hard choice, really. All my newer Remingtons have shot very well, indeed, so I have no "problem" with the Remingtons. If I were you, I would handle both, and buy the one that felt best in hand to you. Regards, Eagleye.
 
derk22 said:
im doing the same seach. on another forum site. people tend to go with the vanguard. i have read lots of good reviews too. im going with the vanguard sub moa
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I honestly don't believe the subMOA is worth paying extra for. The standard Vanguard with a Timney trigger is subMOA easily with the right ammo. The wood stocked Deluxe version, or whatever they called it, is a pretty nice looker. My Vanguard wears that tan rubbery black-spider-webbed stock in .243 - naildriver.
 
I would have to agree. The handgrip on an sps is of the John Holmes variety.
Curt said:
The barrel heating up has nothing to do with the rifle being a Vanguard, it is the overbore cartridge. The price of .300 WM ammo is the same for either the SPS or the Vanguard. The Wby Mag ammo is pricey. Sounds like he is not considering the Weatherby mags.


The Vanguard's stock is very comfy to shoot.
The SPS stock is awful. I have not owned an SPS, but shot and held enough to know I don't care for them.
Both push feed, both good designs.
Great all around calibre choice and I'm sure either rifle is a good value for the money. I would say hold and shoot both if you can.
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