Pudelpointer
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Holy crap, that wood is giving me wood! Deluxe is an understatment.
Weatherby Vanguards Accuracy Guarantee
- Thread starter Timo
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I think that you are all getting carried away with this guarantee business....what happens if you can't get good accuracy? Can you take it back and get your money back, no questions asked? New guns should be capable of this kind of accuracy with properly tuned loads, and good shooting technique, sometimes it takes many attempts until that load is developed....how long is guarantee good for? What control does anyone have over the conditions that the shooting was done under? ie: wait for barrel to cool between shots, sandbag orientation, etc.? Really its all advertising hype....3 shots .99 or 3/4" or was that 5 shots in 1 1/2" or .99 or less, was that double the price for half the group, or double the group for half the price? I'm confused, but I'm not buying into it!
Savage17 said:
And how many Vanguards have you owned?
Savages were OK, but not nearly as consistant as my Vanguards, Tikka's, Remington, and no where near my SAKO and Kimber.... thats why I no longer own any Savages.... I did not find them as consistant as the others...
You can be a Savage Fan all you want, they are fine rifles for the price... but you won't convince me they are more accurate than the others, after owning 4 Savages, they were not ....
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I get to shoot them all as part of my job... The Weatherbys and Savages shoot OK... if you find the right ammo which is usually premium ammo!
The Tikkas and Sakos will shoot just about any ammo well within the MOA guarantee.
If you hand load and are willing to find the pet load for your rifle this is all just a redundant argument.
The Tikkas and Sakos will shoot just about any ammo well within the MOA guarantee.
If you hand load and are willing to find the pet load for your rifle this is all just a redundant argument.
You guys need to get off your azzes and go hunting.... getting pretty hard up for topics when the thread gets hijacked to argue about a POS Tikka T3 vs the Sloppy Savage. Rarely can a guy just post his new toy without some blowhard spouting off how he phucked up and bought the wrong one... because...yada...yada...yada....
DAMN nice piece of wood, that is a rifle to be proud of... congrats, and I'd hate to be a critter inside a quarter mile. Thanks for the picture and rundown, looks like "deluxe" was an understatement with the Vanguard. Be sure to post a picture with some dead critters this fall with the vanguard.
Good huntin'
280_ACKLEY
DAMN nice piece of wood, that is a rifle to be proud of... congrats, and I'd hate to be a critter inside a quarter mile. Thanks for the picture and rundown, looks like "deluxe" was an understatement with the Vanguard. Be sure to post a picture with some dead critters this fall with the vanguard.
Good huntin'
280_ACKLEY
The most accurate factory rifle that I have ever owned was a smith&wesson 1500 varmint which is basically the same howa rifle sold as a vanguard.It carried no guarantee but it consistantly shot sub 1/2 moa.I purchased it for $330 back when Lovetts sports went out of business.I have also fired several vanguards and the accuracy was just as good or better than my mark Vs,but at a fraction of the cost.I have also always had good luck with remington 700s,sakos and tikkas,but for some reason,I seemed to have the hardest time with accuracy with a savage 110 and a model 70 ranger.Both refused to group better than about 2 moa and even after bedding,both still averaged around 1-1/2 moa.
You guys read the articals over the last few years where almost every savage shoots better than all the other guns in the comparison. #### in the last artical I read there was a savage that shot 3 shot groups with 18 types of ammo and averaged 1.08"
In my experiences with Savage from northern Ontario to Mississippi I have shot a BUNCH and to me a good shooting savage shots 1/2 or less. A sub-standard rifle shoots 1" groups. I find it hard to beleive I am shooting a BUNCH of consistant groups with MANY different guns, and that is not the norm. One of my best friends, best friend is a sniper out of MS. He's got about 10 savages too. Does he have em cause they don't shoot! comeon here I know there is such a thing as brand loyaly....(GM still sells cars) but to talk #### about savages accuracy cause you don't like trere finish, or whatever is ??????questionable.
I own Savage and Tikkas Anshutz And my savages shoot the the better of the three....all my savages shoot 3/4 and under....The one that shoots 3/4 is a model 99 in .300 savage which was made in 1954. The newer ones, well they do better!
When I hear a gun won't shoot MOA this is what I base my opinion on....I'D GET RID OF IT! some would keep it and like it....I couldn't sleep (and I have been there).
George
In my experiences with Savage from northern Ontario to Mississippi I have shot a BUNCH and to me a good shooting savage shots 1/2 or less. A sub-standard rifle shoots 1" groups. I find it hard to beleive I am shooting a BUNCH of consistant groups with MANY different guns, and that is not the norm. One of my best friends, best friend is a sniper out of MS. He's got about 10 savages too. Does he have em cause they don't shoot! comeon here I know there is such a thing as brand loyaly....(GM still sells cars) but to talk #### about savages accuracy cause you don't like trere finish, or whatever is ??????questionable.
I own Savage and Tikkas Anshutz And my savages shoot the the better of the three....all my savages shoot 3/4 and under....The one that shoots 3/4 is a model 99 in .300 savage which was made in 1954. The newer ones, well they do better!
When I hear a gun won't shoot MOA this is what I base my opinion on....I'D GET RID OF IT! some would keep it and like it....I couldn't sleep (and I have been there).
George
Savage17 said:
And that is why I sold my Savages.... they were closer to 1 1/2" shooters with handloads
I wasn't talking any #### about Savages, didn't mention fit and finish or even how "beautiful" they are... I think they are OK rifles, but you mentioned they will outshoot the others.... After trying 4 different Savage rifles, I have come to the assumption they will not...
If yours are all great shooters, then keep them and be happy.
I think TIMO's Vanguard is an awesome looking rifle and he should be happy with it... I wasn't the one who told him to go and buy a Savage...
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Yeah, well I have a Crossman .177 that will out shoot all of those guns 
The only thing I would like to clarify is I can't beleive that this is not the norm with savage rifles. For thier price I tell everyone I know to buy one. I believe I have shot 30 savage rifles in the last 5 years or so all new or almost new.....and everyone of them shot under 1" consistantly.
My good friends sniper buddy RAVES about thier accuracy out of the box! and he is a US sniper in MS. If I had a Savage that shot 1 1/2 groups....LOL....I don't know what I'd do!!!! use it for parts ...or somthin.
George
My good friends sniper buddy RAVES about thier accuracy out of the box! and he is a US sniper in MS. If I had a Savage that shot 1 1/2 groups....LOL....I don't know what I'd do!!!! use it for parts ...or somthin.
George
Like I said there is nothing wrong with the Savages. I just did not find them more accurate than the others, though they cost considerably less. I don't expect a 300-500 dollar rifle to outshoot a 1000 -1500 dollar Sako or Kimber. If they do, then thats great and its a keeper. I just haven't run across one yet.
I got the "occasional" 1 inch group with the Savages, but they were hard to duplicate. While my SAKO will put the first two in the same hole and the 3rd about a 1/2 inch off as the barrel heats, every single time I do a grouping.. If I keep the barrel cool, it will do 3 in the same ragged hole. Its a 270Wby and will heat up fast...
Most rifles will get an occasional 1" grouping but not necessarily duplicate it everytime.
Though I do like the accu-trigger and they do have a great selection of rimfire models with the accu-trigger that interest me. I also wouldn't mind to pick up a Stevens 200 in 243, because I want a 243, but for 300 bucks I don't expect it to outshoot my other rifles...
I got the "occasional" 1 inch group with the Savages, but they were hard to duplicate. While my SAKO will put the first two in the same hole and the 3rd about a 1/2 inch off as the barrel heats, every single time I do a grouping.. If I keep the barrel cool, it will do 3 in the same ragged hole. Its a 270Wby and will heat up fast...
Most rifles will get an occasional 1" grouping but not necessarily duplicate it everytime.
Though I do like the accu-trigger and they do have a great selection of rimfire models with the accu-trigger that interest me. I also wouldn't mind to pick up a Stevens 200 in 243, because I want a 243, but for 300 bucks I don't expect it to outshoot my other rifles...
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Well the ones i have seen have been outshooting everything I have ever seen! PERIOD...
I have faith in mine, I bielieve I could hit a moose in the eye out to about 250 yards!
Oh yea there even another artical in the newest RIFLE magazine where the cheap ass model 11F 22" barrel(which is the package gun) shoot 5 shot groups @ 5/8"
I have faith in mine, I bielieve I could hit a moose in the eye out to about 250 yards!
Oh yea there even another artical in the newest RIFLE magazine where the cheap ass model 11F 22" barrel(which is the package gun) shoot 5 shot groups @ 5/8"
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I get that magazine, and in the September issue in an article called Kit guns, the Remington 710 actually shot tighter groupings on average than the Model 16 savage in 243....
You mean the article called Savage 11F on page 46 with the following averages in 223 caliber 5 shot groupings, 3 groupings averaged.
.83
1.08
1.04
1.21
.83
1.29
That isn't exactly a 5/8" average. Its actually 1.047 in. The smallest single grouping was 5/8th of an inch , but the smallest average grouping from 3 groupings is stated above. So how large were the larger groups to bring up that average ?
You mean the article called Savage 11F on page 46 with the following averages in 223 caliber 5 shot groupings, 3 groupings averaged.
.83
1.08
1.04
1.21
.83
1.29
That isn't exactly a 5/8" average. Its actually 1.047 in. The smallest single grouping was 5/8th of an inch , but the smallest average grouping from 3 groupings is stated above. So how large were the larger groups to bring up that average ?
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MYLESROM
This will be my last post on the subject but if you were to flip the page to 44 in the mag. you will see a picture of a target......And there is a statement right there!!!!!!
QUOTE"""" The light barreled Savage Model 11F .223 was capable of outstanding accuracy right from the box, grouping some factory loads as small as 5/8 inch for 5 shots at 100 yards"""""UN-QUOTE
My referring to another artical where they used 18 different loads of 3 shot groups and the savage rifle averaged 1.08" basically 1" . This artical was not about the cheaper savage package series gun!! 18 different loads and still 1" and you couldn't get tighter than 1 1/2 with 4 savages!!!!!!!
Regards, George
This will be my last post on the subject but if you were to flip the page to 44 in the mag. you will see a picture of a target......And there is a statement right there!!!!!!
QUOTE"""" The light barreled Savage Model 11F .223 was capable of outstanding accuracy right from the box, grouping some factory loads as small as 5/8 inch for 5 shots at 100 yards"""""UN-QUOTE
My referring to another artical where they used 18 different loads of 3 shot groups and the savage rifle averaged 1.08" basically 1" . This artical was not about the cheaper savage package series gun!! 18 different loads and still 1" and you couldn't get tighter than 1 1/2 with 4 savages!!!!!!!
Regards, George
I must admit,reading posts like this make me laugh.Trying to use one target fired by one gun and one quote about one individual rifle to prove the accuracy of an entire line of firearms,is nothing short of ridiculous.As with any other product,most will be average,some will be exceptional and some will be sub standard.As such,testing a single example of that firearm proves nothing about the quality or the accuracy of the entire firearms line.
