Well, Now They've Declared War.....
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You know, I don't buy that the CFO's didn't know this was coming. This whole thing reeks of good cop/ bad cop and now the sympathetic CFO's are doing damage control. The whole time C10A was being sold, the impression was that prohibs would be allowed to be transported on a standard ATT so nobody put up a fight.
Now that it's law, and we have been deceived, there is little that can be done to change it........
How do you stage a coup?
Now that it's law, and we have been deceived, there is little that can be done to change it........
How do you stage a coup?
Canadian Government has an agenda.
I also along with many others do not have any prohibs. However, having said that I would also - along with many others give a donation to an ORGANIZED cause to fight this.
What the government is doing is WRONG and it is just a matter of time until someone or some organization organizes a push against the govt. at this point I would gladly donate money to the cause in support of all Canadian Gunowners.
The Govt is not representing ME. There are a few people that have an agenda and are trying to make everyone conform to their "vision". I do not agree. Our govt is actually quite non-functional. In a democracy the people are represented!!! I have the feeling that our govt is not even listening to the people. Look at the party vote with the ### marrage issue!!!!! Our representatives that we voted in are not voting as we are telling them to. They are being told how to vote by their buddies!!!
The Firearms issue will soon be over and there will not be any firearms owners left as they will have taken all the guns away. Look at how vocal the ### Rights people are. Firearms owners should take a lesson from them.
Hans
PS-What is the POINT IN VOTING when your representative DOES NOT represent you????????
I also along with many others do not have any prohibs. However, having said that I would also - along with many others give a donation to an ORGANIZED cause to fight this.
What the government is doing is WRONG and it is just a matter of time until someone or some organization organizes a push against the govt. at this point I would gladly donate money to the cause in support of all Canadian Gunowners.
The Govt is not representing ME. There are a few people that have an agenda and are trying to make everyone conform to their "vision". I do not agree. Our govt is actually quite non-functional. In a democracy the people are represented!!! I have the feeling that our govt is not even listening to the people. Look at the party vote with the ### marrage issue!!!!! Our representatives that we voted in are not voting as we are telling them to. They are being told how to vote by their buddies!!!
The Firearms issue will soon be over and there will not be any firearms owners left as they will have taken all the guns away. Look at how vocal the ### Rights people are. Firearms owners should take a lesson from them.
Hans
PS-What is the POINT IN VOTING when your representative DOES NOT represent you????????
Boys - i've said it before and i'll say it again - the only short term remedies we've got are to support specific efforts by existing gun orgs and by the CPC's.
An election is not far off. If every single one of us got in touch with every gun owner in their riding and made sure they'd be there with SUPPORT, both financial and volunteer - and made sure they did it AS A GROUP - so that it was clear why the support was coming, then a) the conservatives would stand a much better chance of winning, and b) - WE will be their 'soccer moms'. They will know that the support of the gun community is huge and valuable, and we'll win some back.
It is too late for grass roots movements alone to fight this - they take too long. It is too late for second guessing and mucking around - what must be done is clear, and it's the same way the anti's used to STEAL our rights from us.
We will lose ground to the anti's for ever if we don't get rid of the liberals. Everything else is a delaying action. Period full stop.
An election is not far off. If every single one of us got in touch with every gun owner in their riding and made sure they'd be there with SUPPORT, both financial and volunteer - and made sure they did it AS A GROUP - so that it was clear why the support was coming, then a) the conservatives would stand a much better chance of winning, and b) - WE will be their 'soccer moms'. They will know that the support of the gun community is huge and valuable, and we'll win some back.
It is too late for grass roots movements alone to fight this - they take too long. It is too late for second guessing and mucking around - what must be done is clear, and it's the same way the anti's used to STEAL our rights from us.
We will lose ground to the anti's for ever if we don't get rid of the liberals. Everything else is a delaying action. Period full stop.
You have 2 million gun owners sign up to the conservative party, which currently has 250,000 members only. Then you own them. Then you get them elected. Thats how you stage a coup.
There is NO point! - voting is the LAST STEP in the political process - and they don't give a rats' ass about it except once every four years.
So do what the anti's do to get heard - VOLUNTEER before the election, become a member of the party and help elect representatives and delegates! THAT IS WHY THE ENEMY WINS AND WE LOSE! They do this all the time, every year - whereas we get off our lazy asses once every 4 years and wonder why nothing changes.
I tried a "search" for MP Gary Breitkruz (sic?) and had no joy. If there is someone here who can provide him a link to this thread, then my all means please do so. Failing that, give me an e-mail address and I will send it to he or his assistant.
At the end of the day, the current situation is utterly disgusting. We law-abiding firearms owners have been repeatedly lied to, and then quite deliberately misled and betrayed by the government in power. They "played" us with a series of false promises of "cooperation". And then those very same bureaucrats used the same abject falsehoods to placate and (when the time was right) arbitrarily screw us.
I must admit that this situation generates a sense of betrayal that really gives me cause to wonder just what the heck it is that I have been doing with the past 20 years of my life as a Canadian Infantry Officer. The country that I have ostensibly been serving bears zero relation to the country that I wish to live in. The completely unwarranted yet repeated attacks against the law-abiding firearms owners of Canada have resulted in zero impact upon gun crime within our nation. Any idiot could provide that statistical information with a 30 second Google search. And yet certain persons within the ruling party persist in their ill-fated campaign to eradicate the private ownership of firearms within Canada, despite all quantifiable evidence which suggestx that their efforts only punish the innocent...
I can speak only for myself, but as a common "yokel" I am totally sick and tired of paying the wages of a pack of demonstrably thick-headed "public representatives" who abjectly fail to represent MY interests. They NEVER get it right. And yet my tax-dollars disappear down a seemingly bottomless void that is apparently designed to be for my own good? Yeah, right. I could sub-contract THAT gig in a heart-beat at a fraction of the going rate and obtain immeasurably superior results.....
As a Canadian taxpayer, and as one who has served this country in a manner that few would "ante" up to, I seriously resent the fact that my own government does not trust me despite my repeated efforts to earn that very trust. It is an utterly disgraceful personal insult of the highest order.
I purchased my (now prohibited) firearms with the government's blessing and paid the requisite sale taxes. The very same government later decided that those particular firearms were no longer appropriate for civilian ownership. But instead of offering compensation for their disposal, the government told me that I could keep AND USE those firearms for the balance of my life. They would be seized without compensation to my estate when I died. This was the essence of "Grandfathering", as originally intended. I was willing to "play the game" as long as I could derive enjoyment from target-shooting with my now-prohibited firearms.
Yes, there would be inevitable confiscation of my prohibited firearms without compensation to my estate. I could live with that, provided that I was allowed to continue enjoying my "outlawed" firearms for the duration of my life. And such was the case until this most recent legislative travesty and utter betrayal of established trust....
Now? Well you can read my comments above just as well as anyone. At the end of the day, the Canadian Government has once again quite deliberately and inappropriately screwed the legitimate, law-abiding owners of the very fireams that they formerly prohibited and grandfathered without any quantifiable cause. The more things change, the more they apparently remain the same....
With the latest incremental stab of the government knife, I can no longer enjoy the continued use of my legally purchased, taxed, and duly-registered legal firearms. All because some bureaucratic flunky has deemed those particular firearms to be "evil". Not that he necessarily had any first-hand experience with the firearms in queston. Oh, no - they were "scary in a picture" and must therefore be banned. Moreover, they must be banned in multiple categories because we don't know any better. Surely a 12(4) prohibited 5.55mm Steyr AUG must be significantly more capable of destruction than a restricted 5.56mm AR-15 carbine with a 7"barrel, right? Yep, some really "good thinking" was involved in the ""prohbited criteria". Can you say "firearms experts" at the helm of our legislation? Utter and abject twits is more like it.....
At the end of the day, I am now seriously annoyed at having been deliberately lied to by a two-faced federal government that keeps arbitrarily shifting the "goal posts" with regard to my lawful firearms ownership and use. As far as I am concerned, this latest development with the outright refusal to issue SAPS (or better yet ATTs) for the CONTINUED legitimate use of my legally owned firearms is tantamount to a total betrayal.
I have roughly $10,000 invested in firearms that I am suddenly not permitted to use for their legally-registered primary purpose of target-shooting. Why is that? Have any of those specific categories of duly-registered firearm EVER been used during the commission of a crime? The answer (if you didn't already know) is a resounding NO. Which seriously begs the question as to why the Federal legislators have focussed on these particular firearms for the initial step of their Canadian Firearms Eradication Project. Can you say "divide and conquer"? I knew you could.....
The entire situation sickens me. We prohib long-gun owners are being subjected to Federal legislation that is pathetically transparent and abjectly discriminatory in its application agains a specified and documented "target audience". Their phone calls are enough to establish that..... Come to think of it, one of us really ought to launch a discrimination lawsuit against the federal goverment as a "maligned citizen" by virtue of the completely legal firearms that we happen to own. Certainly, our personal financial losses as a result of completely unwarranted and unsubtantiated legislation would provide the quantifiable basis for a claim.....
Food for thought, as guys like me pursue the Refusal Hearing....
Mark C
At the end of the day, the current situation is utterly disgusting. We law-abiding firearms owners have been repeatedly lied to, and then quite deliberately misled and betrayed by the government in power. They "played" us with a series of false promises of "cooperation". And then those very same bureaucrats used the same abject falsehoods to placate and (when the time was right) arbitrarily screw us.
I must admit that this situation generates a sense of betrayal that really gives me cause to wonder just what the heck it is that I have been doing with the past 20 years of my life as a Canadian Infantry Officer. The country that I have ostensibly been serving bears zero relation to the country that I wish to live in. The completely unwarranted yet repeated attacks against the law-abiding firearms owners of Canada have resulted in zero impact upon gun crime within our nation. Any idiot could provide that statistical information with a 30 second Google search. And yet certain persons within the ruling party persist in their ill-fated campaign to eradicate the private ownership of firearms within Canada, despite all quantifiable evidence which suggestx that their efforts only punish the innocent...
I can speak only for myself, but as a common "yokel" I am totally sick and tired of paying the wages of a pack of demonstrably thick-headed "public representatives" who abjectly fail to represent MY interests. They NEVER get it right. And yet my tax-dollars disappear down a seemingly bottomless void that is apparently designed to be for my own good? Yeah, right. I could sub-contract THAT gig in a heart-beat at a fraction of the going rate and obtain immeasurably superior results.....
As a Canadian taxpayer, and as one who has served this country in a manner that few would "ante" up to, I seriously resent the fact that my own government does not trust me despite my repeated efforts to earn that very trust. It is an utterly disgraceful personal insult of the highest order.
I purchased my (now prohibited) firearms with the government's blessing and paid the requisite sale taxes. The very same government later decided that those particular firearms were no longer appropriate for civilian ownership. But instead of offering compensation for their disposal, the government told me that I could keep AND USE those firearms for the balance of my life. They would be seized without compensation to my estate when I died. This was the essence of "Grandfathering", as originally intended. I was willing to "play the game" as long as I could derive enjoyment from target-shooting with my now-prohibited firearms.
Yes, there would be inevitable confiscation of my prohibited firearms without compensation to my estate. I could live with that, provided that I was allowed to continue enjoying my "outlawed" firearms for the duration of my life. And such was the case until this most recent legislative travesty and utter betrayal of established trust....
Now? Well you can read my comments above just as well as anyone. At the end of the day, the Canadian Government has once again quite deliberately and inappropriately screwed the legitimate, law-abiding owners of the very fireams that they formerly prohibited and grandfathered without any quantifiable cause. The more things change, the more they apparently remain the same....
With the latest incremental stab of the government knife, I can no longer enjoy the continued use of my legally purchased, taxed, and duly-registered legal firearms. All because some bureaucratic flunky has deemed those particular firearms to be "evil". Not that he necessarily had any first-hand experience with the firearms in queston. Oh, no - they were "scary in a picture" and must therefore be banned. Moreover, they must be banned in multiple categories because we don't know any better. Surely a 12(4) prohibited 5.55mm Steyr AUG must be significantly more capable of destruction than a restricted 5.56mm AR-15 carbine with a 7"barrel, right? Yep, some really "good thinking" was involved in the ""prohbited criteria". Can you say "firearms experts" at the helm of our legislation? Utter and abject twits is more like it.....
At the end of the day, I am now seriously annoyed at having been deliberately lied to by a two-faced federal government that keeps arbitrarily shifting the "goal posts" with regard to my lawful firearms ownership and use. As far as I am concerned, this latest development with the outright refusal to issue SAPS (or better yet ATTs) for the CONTINUED legitimate use of my legally owned firearms is tantamount to a total betrayal.
I have roughly $10,000 invested in firearms that I am suddenly not permitted to use for their legally-registered primary purpose of target-shooting. Why is that? Have any of those specific categories of duly-registered firearm EVER been used during the commission of a crime? The answer (if you didn't already know) is a resounding NO. Which seriously begs the question as to why the Federal legislators have focussed on these particular firearms for the initial step of their Canadian Firearms Eradication Project. Can you say "divide and conquer"? I knew you could.....
The entire situation sickens me. We prohib long-gun owners are being subjected to Federal legislation that is pathetically transparent and abjectly discriminatory in its application agains a specified and documented "target audience". Their phone calls are enough to establish that..... Come to think of it, one of us really ought to launch a discrimination lawsuit against the federal goverment as a "maligned citizen" by virtue of the completely legal firearms that we happen to own. Certainly, our personal financial losses as a result of completely unwarranted and unsubtantiated legislation would provide the quantifiable basis for a claim.....
Food for thought, as guys like me pursue the Refusal Hearing....
Mark C
dangertree
Business Rep
- Location
- NL/ON/FL/PL
KDG said:
What we need is something like what is happening at ar15.com.. Having Team members and such... Members get a donate say 25 bucks each year to be a "team member" they get access to a special team chat room and other small benefits. Another idea maybe turn CanadianGunnuts into a portal (website, forums, etc..) and have a couple of industry ads to support the cause...
my .02
Maybe with those funds we can get fullpage (?) ads in major newspapers. Anyone know how much advertisement space costs in say the National Post or some other newspaper ?
We are 8300 members surely we can do something with some funds that are raised to spread the word.
darkestjedi
Regular
GAAAAH this sucks for people like me, i support ### marriage, legalization of marijuana AND i'm pro-gun. These things aren't mutually exclusive. There's no ####ing option for people like me. Anything that takes away personal rights and freedoms is inherently evil IMO and this certainly fits that bill but it's like picking the lesser of evils.
Guns support all the other rights eventually. Pick them :wink:
p.s. check out the link to the CPC above. To donate to the CPC is really cheap after you check out the tax deduction tables (click on the "HERE" link in the link above and scroll down). I thought a poor guy like me living check to check couldn't donate, but I will anyway; I smell an election!
p.s. check out the link to the CPC above. To donate to the CPC is really cheap after you check out the tax deduction tables (click on the "HERE" link in the link above and scroll down). I thought a poor guy like me living check to check couldn't donate, but I will anyway; I smell an election!
- Political Affiliation: Conservative Caucus
Constituency: Yorkton—Melville
Province: Saskatchewan
Telephone: (613) 992-4394
Fax: (613) 992-8676
Email: Breitkreuz.G@parl.gc.ca
Guys,
Please don't get carried away raising funds or any other such premature measures with my specific name in mind. While I fully intend to pursue the "Appeal Refusal Hearing" as a directly-affected Canadian citizen (eg. my application, my refusal), the fact remains that I am most likely not the RFC's most desirable "poster boy".
My current employment as a Federal Government employee precludes me from acting in anything other than an individual capacity. Full-stop. I trust that you can understand the distinction between an individual challenge (undertaken on one's own behalf), versus a larger role with innpprorpriate professional connotations.
I hope that any one of the 100 (or more) prohib long-gun owners who frequent this site will step up to the plate with a series of their own challenges to SAP denials, and then take it to the Federal level if necessary (and prudent/warranted). Assuming that the right person/people step up, I would be happy to contribute $100 towards their legal fees should the case goes forward to the point that legal representation is desirable.
As for me? I will fight my individual "Appeal Refusal Hearing" as a taxpayer when my NB court date comes up in late May. By that point I hope to have gleaned a bunch of useful advice from the people on this web-site.
The very best of luck to all concerned,
Mark C
Please don't get carried away raising funds or any other such premature measures with my specific name in mind. While I fully intend to pursue the "Appeal Refusal Hearing" as a directly-affected Canadian citizen (eg. my application, my refusal), the fact remains that I am most likely not the RFC's most desirable "poster boy".
My current employment as a Federal Government employee precludes me from acting in anything other than an individual capacity. Full-stop. I trust that you can understand the distinction between an individual challenge (undertaken on one's own behalf), versus a larger role with innpprorpriate professional connotations.
I hope that any one of the 100 (or more) prohib long-gun owners who frequent this site will step up to the plate with a series of their own challenges to SAP denials, and then take it to the Federal level if necessary (and prudent/warranted). Assuming that the right person/people step up, I would be happy to contribute $100 towards their legal fees should the case goes forward to the point that legal representation is desirable.
As for me? I will fight my individual "Appeal Refusal Hearing" as a taxpayer when my NB court date comes up in late May. By that point I hope to have gleaned a bunch of useful advice from the people on this web-site.
The very best of luck to all concerned,
Mark C
peckerwood
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- PalePony, Yukon
After they tell you that you cannot take your prohib to the range and then it becomes literally a useless item, their reasoning will abound when they decide to confiscate it without compensation because..."What do you need this rifle for anyway, when you dont even shoot it anymore".
This is the kind of backwards reasoning that is presented by Lieberals. This reminds me of a certain bumper sticker:
"Gun Control: You can have my guns; Bullets first"
I am getting sick and tired of politicians abusing their powers; they need to be reminded where they derive those very same powers...the voting public.
By screwing the law-abiding people out there and thusly destroying any trust they originally had they will be inevitably forcing all gun ownership underground; where after confiscating all legally owned guns it will make it all the more easier to villify all firearms in general because they will then be illegally owned.
These bastards piss me off.
Their logic is astounding.
They actually believe the #### they spew, that is the scary part.
We have a guy up here who, after the implimentation of C68, and the subsequent closing of the annual gun show up here by means of legislative strangulation, has gone out openly calling for revolution with the use of large signs on his vehicle. This guy was before one of the most law abiding people I have ever met and also an ex-military officer of the British Armed Forces. Now he finds himself on the other side of the fence; and how long before more join his ranks. Nobody publicly supports him but I have seen many secretly pat him on the back and offer him words of support on a regular basis.
So long as the Lieberal government continues to violate the trust of the people then more of these kinds of people will appear.
Peckerwood
This is the kind of backwards reasoning that is presented by Lieberals. This reminds me of a certain bumper sticker:
"Gun Control: You can have my guns; Bullets first"
I am getting sick and tired of politicians abusing their powers; they need to be reminded where they derive those very same powers...the voting public.
By screwing the law-abiding people out there and thusly destroying any trust they originally had they will be inevitably forcing all gun ownership underground; where after confiscating all legally owned guns it will make it all the more easier to villify all firearms in general because they will then be illegally owned.
These bastards piss me off.
Their logic is astounding.
They actually believe the #### they spew, that is the scary part.
We have a guy up here who, after the implimentation of C68, and the subsequent closing of the annual gun show up here by means of legislative strangulation, has gone out openly calling for revolution with the use of large signs on his vehicle. This guy was before one of the most law abiding people I have ever met and also an ex-military officer of the British Armed Forces. Now he finds himself on the other side of the fence; and how long before more join his ranks. Nobody publicly supports him but I have seen many secretly pat him on the back and offer him words of support on a regular basis.
So long as the Lieberal government continues to violate the trust of the people then more of these kinds of people will appear.
Peckerwood
Here's a question: what ARE the gun orgs doing? I've read pages on what we as individuals can do, and hopefully everyone IS doing. What are the orgs doing?
Also, what about the gun shops? There must be a lot of shops and smiths out there looking at a chunk of their merchandise and business that just became all but valueless. We need some clout here, and the 15-20 CGN members that have said they'll do their part is not enough.
I'm onboard as well, but we need more.
I'm quite pissed that it seems that for all the organizations out there "fighting for our rights as gun owners" the only place that seems to be doing anything is CGN.
Also, what about the gun shops? There must be a lot of shops and smiths out there looking at a chunk of their merchandise and business that just became all but valueless. We need some clout here, and the 15-20 CGN members that have said they'll do their part is not enough.
I'm onboard as well, but we need more.
I'm quite pissed that it seems that for all the organizations out there "fighting for our rights as gun owners" the only place that seems to be doing anything is CGN.
