The Elite series are very good. Made in Japan and, at one time, represented an excellent value buy - still good in that department but others have surpassed. Only real criticism is that the crosshairs are a bit thick and the scopes have quite limited interal adjustments.
Wha is the best for tactical riflescope ?
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He might be the only guy who tried them all, and his review was awesome.
But all roads lead to your budget.
Your opinion sounds personal.
Wanna talk about it?Seriously though, have you owned Bushnell products? I'm not asking about your buddies stories, just your own. I'm asking because two of my scopes and my binoculars are Bushnell. The binos are ~15 years old, one scope is 4 the other is 3. I'm wondering if I should take them back.
No don't take them back, box up throw LNIN in your for sale thread on the EE and make ask a premium lol I have a few bushys, made in Japan always been great and they take the trashing from the m305 nicely. Never owned a prestigious scope yet like a NF but what I have has always served me well. Getting ready to drop some better coin soon but most likely on a sightron from mystic.
You completely missed his point. But you probably knew that already...........
Are they built entirely in Japan, assembled in Japan or just the glass was made in Japan? I admit, I haven't kept up with these details as Bushnell generally puts out junk that is doable on rimfires but not a serious contender in the high end optics game.
As you say, yours are mounted on centrefire guns with significant recoil. For the price they ask you could have got far better optics. Your performance with such optics has more to do with the rifle, ammo, and the shooter than it does the optic. It it tracks for the zero and the reticle doesn't fail, the optic will run fine. Its the durability and repeatability of the optic that makes it top quality. I strongly doubt a Bushnell could or would survive the testing and abuse other top brands put their optics through. Regardless, they're still grossly over priced.
He might be the only guy who tried them all, and his review was awesome.
But all roads lead to your budget.
Your opinion sounds personal.
Seriously though, have you owned Bushnell products? I'm not asking about your buddies stories, just your own. I'm asking because two of my scopes and my binoculars are Bushnell. The binos are ~15 years old, one scope is 4 the other is 3. I'm wondering if I should take them back.
I have run Bushnell products, in fact I'm running one now on my 10/22. It works for its intended purpose but I don't expect it to survive a tumble or be as clear as the day. I would never run a Bushnell on a centrefire rifle. I should add that this is the 3rd Bushnell I've run on my 10/22 and I believe this is the 9th in total. The previous two dropped elements or lost their seal and took on moisture. For the $80 I paid and the 3 plus years out of each optic I got, I'm ok with it.
TDC
Who said anything about high end? I just said give good bang for the buck.
The $900 to $1000 each I paid for my two 6-24x50 FFP and their performance while in my possession have been more then satisfactory. Do they match up to $2500+ scopes. The answer is no.
The $900 to $1000 each I paid for my two 6-24x50 FFP and their performance while in my possession have been more then satisfactory. Do they match up to $2500+ scopes. The answer is no.
Can't go wrong with NCStar, bro. Counter-Sniper are even better. Tacticool at it's best.
On a serious note though, Vortex are pretty solid. The Viper PST is their best value from their lineup in my opinion. They have higher end stuff, Razors, and lower end stuff, Crossfire, Diamondback, etc.
On a serious note though, Vortex are pretty solid. The Viper PST is their best value from their lineup in my opinion. They have higher end stuff, Razors, and lower end stuff, Crossfire, Diamondback, etc.
Actually it was you that missed my point. I have learned many a lesson the hard way that you get what you pay for and optics is the ultimate example of that. Why the difference in price between a Bushnell and a Schmidt and Bender? Militaries around the world use Schmidt and Bender, I am not aware of any that use Bushnell or Vortex for that matter.
While you and I may not value the OPs money, I bet he sure does. He asked specifically about high end scopes and I gave my opinion. The "buy once, cry once" comment just means get the best value for your money and you don't have to replace it with something better later.
OH, I almost forgot... to answer your question:
I bought both!
For a grand you could have run a trijicon dual illuminated 2.5-10 or 5-20. Any number of Leupold optics for similar coin, some Zeiss, and some Sightron. Bushnell doesn't even compare to any of the brands above.
Thanks tips. Reread my entire post, I've run quite a few Bushnells. The 3200 and 4200 series were alright but still not worth the coin.
TDC
Thanks TDC. The latest review by JuanValdez of two Bushnells, a sightron and a vortex. Isn't as definitive as your opinion. In fact in his opinion the Bushnell had better glass then the Sightron.
I don't really why I'm bothering to discuss this because by your own admission you have no idea what your are talking about with respect the latest Elite Tactical scopes.
I don't really why I'm bothering to discuss this because by your own admission you have no idea what your are talking about with respect the latest Elite Tactical scopes.
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No... I ignored your point.
But the more I think about it, the more you're right. There isn't a single reliable scope with good glass under $2500 is there?
I absolutely agree, if it isn't used by the military, by default, it must be crap!
(btw, which military uses the extension cords in the background of your photo?)
I see the wall socket plate budget got absorbed by the scope budget.
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I'm not versed on the finer details of the Elite series, I'm well aware of the overall specs and implied quality. Bear in mind that "quality" or "clarity" of the glass is one aspect of the optic. Even a hazy or yellowish tint to an optic has little effect on its performance unless its low light. The real quality comes in its durability and the repeatability of the adjustments. The review you mention takes into account only four optics from three makers. It fails to account for similarly priced optics from more reputable brands like the ones I mentioned before(Trijicon, Zeiss and Leupold).
TDC
Well, I can't seem to help myself.
Like I have mentioned earlier my ET 6x24s are very repeatable, they track well and return to zero. I have found them to be reliable and I've even dropped one of them by accident with no Ill effect. Are they mil spec? I have no idea but as I'm not going into combat I don't really care.
What it is though is a seemingly well built optic with sturdy,easy to adjust controls, FFP,illuminated reticle, mildot and miliradian turrets,near 80MOA of elevation and quality glass with no discernible tinting. Please tell me about the these other uber scope manufactures products that meet the same specs. I'll make it easy.
FFP,MILDOT,ILLUMINATED RETICLE and UNDER $1000
3,2,1 go!
Like I have mentioned earlier my ET 6x24s are very repeatable, they track well and return to zero. I have found them to be reliable and I've even dropped one of them by accident with no Ill effect. Are they mil spec? I have no idea but as I'm not going into combat I don't really care.
What it is though is a seemingly well built optic with sturdy,easy to adjust controls, FFP,illuminated reticle, mildot and miliradian turrets,near 80MOA of elevation and quality glass with no discernible tinting. Please tell me about the these other uber scope manufactures products that meet the same specs. I'll make it easy.
FFP,MILDOT,ILLUMINATED RETICLE and UNDER $1000
3,2,1 go!
I guess its's true then, "ignorance is bliss"
IMO this is great advice. Once you know exactly what you need you'll be better off. Sure buy once cry once, but don't get a porshe if what you need is a truck.
Of the scopes you listed, Nightforce.
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