whast the real deal with a-bolts?

[BIGREDD]

i love the tikka i just bouight at christmas, almost bought an a-bolt varmint if it wasnt for that absolutely retarded magazine idea. who ever thought that up should never be allowed to have anything to do with a gun ever again. I have an older a-bolt in 7MM and a 270 Win in remmy 700. i only shoot my abolt because it is bigger and has more knock down power. if they were the same calibre the abolt would never see the outside of our safe. the bolt on the remmy in smoother, mag. is a normal design, feels better to me goin up and is a joy to shoot. the abolt has a way stiffer bolt, if any miniscule bit of presure is put on the side of the bolt when pushing if foreward the bolt becomes very sticky and takes 3-4 times longer to get the bolt in and closed

Do you often push on the side of your bolt when closing it? If your a-bolt is truly as sticky as you say then you should take it in for repair... there is something wrong with it.
Your opinion of the Browning mag system is clear but I would like you to point out the downside of that system? What exactly is retarded about it?
I do agree with your opinion of the Tikka... very slick rifle and they are awesome shooters.

 

[wade]

i would buy the reminton 700 , instead i dont like the magazine , dont like the plastic stock crappy trigger, they do shoot good though, theres not many rem 700s that dont work right out of the box, wade

 

[Covey Ridge]

theres not many rem 700s that dont work right out of the box, wade

I think you might get quite a difference of opinion on that one. Remington's tactical, varmint, and Sendero types seem to be o.k. but their SPS, BDL, and CDL usually work, but very few have been found to shoot well, right out of the box. Most need action bedding and/or barrel bedding and ALL need trigger work. There claims of "legiondary out of the box accuracy" has now become a myth.

work right out of the box? Some are willing to accept 2 1/2 to 3 inch 100 yard groups and don't need better or know that there is better.

The problem as I see it is that remington is mass produced in the U.S.A. Tikka and Browning are produced out of the country and have to be better.
If remington wants to remain made in the U.S.A. they should closely examine the success of SAVAGE. Savage has a superior product at a reasonable price and should embarass some of those more costly products.

Those Japanese made brownings work fine. I can hardly wait for the Japanese made winchesters!

 

[7 REM MAG]

the bolt sticks because when the adrenalin is pumping and you are trying to get a new round in the chamber for a fast follow up shot i personally concentrate on getting the bolt closed as quickly as possible, i hardly ever when reloading for a follow up shot have enough time to take a nice little break from shooting to ensure that the bolt is going in straight
I dislike the magazine because when getting in and out of the truck or atv regurlarly it is a nuisance to flip down the plate to reload the mag. choose on design and run with it, not both. also reloading while walking, hiking, jogging or other similar activities is a royal pain. i can reload all 5 shots into my tikka while walking in 1 min it takes 2-3 times longer fr my abolt

 

[Covey Ridge]

the bolt sticks because when the adrenalin is pumping and you are trying to get a new round in the chamber for a fast follow up shot i personally concentrate on getting the bolt closed as quickly as possible, i hardly ever when reloading for a follow up shot have enough time to take a nice little break from shooting to ensure that the bolt is going in straight
I dislike the magazine because when getting in and out of the truck or atv regurlarly it is a nuisance to flip down the plate to reload the mag. choose on design and run with it, not both. also reloading while walking, hiking, jogging or other similar activities is a royal pain. i can reload all 5 shots into my tikka while walking in 1 min it takes 2-3 times longer fr my abolt

adrenalin pumping
fast follow up shot
in and out of the truck or atv
reloading while walking, hiking, jogging

Gosh! Hunting should not be so hectic. I would never want to pass on the adrenalin thing but getting it under control is really important. Instead of fast follow up, concentrate on making single shot count. If you have to do this in and out of truck thing, load a single and make it count. Try loading while standing.

2-3 times longer than 1 minute = 2-3 minutes

Back to the A-bolt, I agree that its design is not the best of both worlds but just the opposite, but this older fumble knumb fingered type can load an A-bolt clip in icy cold conditions in well less than a minute, and I could have one in and off in no time. Not on the run but standing! With all the single shot users out there I find it amazing that rapid fire and quick follow up is so important to so many. If those qualities are most important to you, go to an auto loader. First shot, one shot accuracy to me is more important than a whole pack full of prelaoded clips.

I know that you don't feel that you have the luxury of time to make sure the bolt is going straight, but please take the time to do your best to make sure the shot is going straight.

A BOLTS are not perfect but they are fine rifles!

 

[Covey Ridge]

I'll bet you meant ASS TOOT

Anyways, nice to see you guys making friends....

gitrdun: or is that Knee High? How come you are on my case? Are you trolling for me? or are you still getting even cause I poked fun at your 30-30? I still say, given the choice, if you go fer yer 30-30 instead of yer 338 some hiker might find yer marlin in a pile of bear poop.

To make this post relevant to this thread, you can get an A-bolt in 338 eh!

 

[gitrdun]

gitrdun: or is that Knee High? How come you are on my case? Are you trolling for me? or are you still getting even cause I poked fun at your 30-30? I still say, given the choice, if you go fer yer 30-30 instead of yer 338 some hiker might find yer marlin in a pile of bear poop.

To make this post relevant to this thread, you can get an A-bolt in 338 eh!

Actually, now that I've re-scoped the .338 to something more suitable, I'd probably grab it first. Anyways, let's stay on track...I've no reason to get an A-bolt, too shiny for me. I've never owned one of fired one even. I did handle one in the store, thus the old Tikka M695.

 

[mjcurry]

if you take 2-3 minutes to load a clip i suggest getting some of that ahrthritis medicine.

 

[7 REM MAG]

ok it may not be 2-3 min but it is significantly longer than loading my tikka 5 shot clip, and my drop plate 270 win in remmy 700. The fast follow up shot is important because we hunt in areas the have large fields that border on some very heavy chunks of forest and with the large pop. of wolves around i would rather have the ability to hit a deer 2 or 3 times to put it down no mtter what than to only use on shot and have it run the 50-75 yds to the bush and risk loosing the animal. I have hunted enough deer in my short life to know that sometimes even if a deer is hit in the boiler room it can and will run as far as it can make it.I have put deer down in their tracks when shot in the vital area and have shot deer in the vitals tht have run for 100 yds like nothing happened and then toppled over all the while little to no blood is leaking

 

[Covey Ridge]

ok it may not be 2-3 min but it is significantly longer than loading my tikka 5 shot clip, and my drop plate 270 win in remmy 700. The fast follow up shot is important because we hunt in areas the have large fields that border on some very heavy chunks of forest and with the large pop. of wolves around i would rather have the ability to hit a deer 2 or 3 times to put it down no mtter what than to only use on shot and have it run the 50-75 yds to the bush and risk loosing the animal. I have hunted enough deer in my short life to know that sometimes even if a deer is hit in the boiler room it can and will run as far as it can make it.I have put deer down in their tracks when shot in the vital area and have shot deer in the vitals tht have run for 100 yds like nothing happened and then toppled over all the while little to no blood is leaking

Hmmmm? Well I guess you have proven Browning does not know what real hunters want or need.

Someones signature comes to mind:

one shot...... one deer
two shots..... two deer
three shots.....someone is lost

 

[7 REM MAG]

i guess then that every single animal you have taken has been a perfect double lung shot taking out the heart as well stopping the animal in its tracks. I wish i was pefect just like you

 

[todbartell]

watch out for them wolves buddy!

 

[Covey Ridge]

i guess then that every single animal you have taken has been a perfect double lung shot taking out the heart as well stopping the animal in its tracks. I wish i was pefect just like you

Actually most of my shots, but not all, have been double lung shots, but as you obviously know, double lung shots have nothing to do with anchoring the animal in its tracks. I also know that without luck, all the firepower in the world will not make up for a poor shot or poor shot choice on my part.

 

[7 REM MAG]

Why would you bring luck into the equation. If you attribute hitting an animal to luck then you shouldnt be hunting.

 

[Covey Ridge]

Why would you bring luck into the equation. If you attribute hitting an animal to luck then you shouldnt be hunting.

I said:"I also know that without luck, all the firepower in the world will not make up for a poor shot or poor shot choice on my part."

If you are relying on firepower or multiple shots to do what you should have done on the first shot, YOU are relying LUCK to score a hit that will dump em on the spot when your best shot did not! I say that if you are relying on multiple shots and not confident and expecting a one shot kill, then maybe it is YOU that should not be hunting?

In any event, an A-Bolt is as good as any and I think, better than most to get the job done. An A-Bolt will not make or break a hunter. No gun will!
If you don't like yours get rid of it, but I don't buy your need to load on the run, or your inability to move the bolt, or your need for a gun that is convenient for road hunting!

 

[mjcurry]

nuff said boys! lets keep our pants on here.

thanx for all the great info guys exactly was i was looking for . now i just gotta go buy one!

thanx
matt

 

[7 REM MAG]

i never once said i rely on secondary shots, i try at all times to make my first shot count however when a follow-up shot is necessary it is almost always a very fast ordeal, most white-tails dont walk along at a leisurely pace after they get shot they high tail it outta there.
i could really care less if you dont think my opinion on he gun is valid im just happy that i dont have any of your type in my hunting group

 

[pharaoh2]

If I could interupt and throw in a brief comparason of the A-bolt and the T-3, I would love to. The A-bolt magazine system is flawless. And I can say that with pride. Look at the clip on a 75 or a T-3. One little button holding a spring loaded, very expensive magazine in place. You bump that button on a branch, and poof! You've got a single shot. The A-bolt will never lose it's mag. it will never drop it's carytridges in the snow like a floorplate if you hit the release. If the user learns how to use it, it will snap in place in a second. The plastic buttom on a T-3 is just that, plastic. Plastic breaks. My guess is the whole bottom assembly would have to be replaced, because it's plastic. I used to me a model 70 guy, but the last few Winchesters i saw coming out of the boxes looked like crap. Barrel channels that looked like they've been carved by an axe. Butt pads that were too small. I've seen remingtons come with magazine boxes upside down and worse...

I have to say, I've never seen a Browning that was less than perfect. remember, their Japanese. They have very strict quality control. Go to the store, compare an A-bolt to anything else. Out of the box, they look PERFECT. The bolt won't bind like some people say, their non rotating. It's like a drawer slide. It'll go foward. it'll go backward. it wont go left or right. Try one on. If you like it, than great. if you don't like it, look at somthing else. But for those who are bad mouthing what might be the last true well made firearm because their affraid of it, don't. That's what it boils down too. Someone, somwhere told them a story once. It probably involved the words 'potmetal' or 'soft'. But I'm willing to bet not a single owner, (And i'm not talking about dad's gun in the safe) will find their rifle ever let them down.

 

[simulate]

I got two in .308 from Cdn. Tire at a good price and they're both great hunting rifles=several deer and elk can vouch for that.

 

[Covey Ridge]

Try one on. If you like it, than great. if you don't like it, look at somthing else. But for those who are bad mouthing what might be the last true well made firearm because their affraid of it, don't. That's what it boils down too. Someone, somwhere told them a story once. It probably involved the words 'potmetal' or 'soft'. But I'm willing to bet not a single owner, (And i'm not talking about dad's gun in the safe) will find their rifle ever let them down.

pharaoh2: Entire post very informative. Well done!