If the guy had left his name and phone number, courtesy would say call before directly hunting the pile in my mind. Unidentified pile is anyones game if you ask me. I would leave my name and number (good idea to the person that suggested it), act positive and maybe get a new hunting partner out of it!!
What do you guys think? a question of ethics.
- Thread starter Canadian_Zuk
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Zuke, there is nothing wrong with hunting with calls.
Nor is there anything wrong with hunting over a bait pile where it is legal.(in this case it is legal)
If you are worried about yer reputation might be tainted by hunting near or over a gut pile you may have to move on or accept the fact your called in coyotes might have been feeding on a free buffet before visitng your rabbit distress calls.
Just an observation, nothing more, nothing less.
Rob
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- Prince Albert, Sk
Out here is a bit different, you identify your spot with your name and contact info which makes it illegal for someone else to hunt it.It would be a courtesy to identify it so that others at the very least can touch base with the other hunter to see what is what.
There are a lot of people out there that will take advantage of another persons labor and hard work.Even if you don't hunt directly over the bait he may see it as such and take offense.May people get very protective over their hunting spots, to the point of inflicting harm to person and property.
It would be respectful IMO if you did leave contact info and that you do frequent the area to hunt.
Be civil you will have a civil out come, get pissy and there will be an issue.
There are a lot of people out there that will take advantage of another persons labor and hard work.Even if you don't hunt directly over the bait he may see it as such and take offense.May people get very protective over their hunting spots, to the point of inflicting harm to person and property.
It would be respectful IMO if you did leave contact info and that you do frequent the area to hunt.
Be civil you will have a civil out come, get pissy and there will be an issue.
This hunter has clearly mixed a meat martini large enough for everyone to have a sip. Just don't drink all of the bounty and it should be fine.
I agree that putting a tree stand, bait pile or pissing on a tree on public land does not make that land yours and yours alone. If you keep your toys at a public park, the other kids may play with or near them. Deal.
OP has it right i think. He's not hunting right on the guys bait but he still has the right to hunt there. Since there is two fields if buddy shows up and starts getting upset ( which would be pretty unreasonable) you could just move to the other one. Just explain to him that you've been hunting here and that these are the only spots and just move on to the next one or if your there first get him to move on if he doesn't get to unreasonable about it
beretta boy
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Little problem with your math ... 500m x 500m = approx. 61.78 acres.
705.52m x 705.52m would be approx. 123 acres.
Nothwithstanding, I would hunt the bait pile on Crown Land just like
I would utilize a duck blind built out on open public water ... I just wouldn't
do it on Opening Day as a courtesy. After that, it's anybody's to use.
No ownership.
What gives anybody the right to place bait on public property ? Will it be cleaned-up and carted away after it's last use, or just left to rot ? Does a tree stand put up on Crown land infer you can't hunt there because someone else got there first and left their "stuff" behind ? Same as leaving your decoys out overnight on public water ... if you do, don't look to find them there the next day !
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Spoiled discarded meat is not the equivalent of a planted flag, and dumping meat as bait on public land doesn't grant the dumper any special entitlement.
The OP should feel free to continue hunting on that land, including in the vicinity of the bait piles. And if the OP has any doubt about that, he should consult the conservation officers.
The only thing that the bait dumper is "entitled to" is a summary offense ticket for dumping on crown land.
Agree...Though I would respect the baiters work, and do my best to stay clear of his/her set up...Lots of room on 100 acres to set up...I have none this many times, and have had good luck....Better luck than the set up I avoided most times....
Some of you guys sure have lots of complicated "rules" that you follow.
If I dumped a pile of bait in an effort to shoot some yotes or wolves, I'd be happy if someone else used it when I wasn't there. I'd rather some wolves get shot than not, and it wouldn't bruise my delicate ego, either.
A few winters ago some farmer had a few dead cows out on his property. Guys were rotating there on a daily basis, shooting yotes off if them. Just whoever happened to have a spare couple of hours each morning, no elaborate coordination.
Crown land is open to all. I wouldn't feel bad about using the bait one bit, unless he already was there, and then I'd move along, of course.
If I dumped a pile of bait in an effort to shoot some yotes or wolves, I'd be happy if someone else used it when I wasn't there. I'd rather some wolves get shot than not, and it wouldn't bruise my delicate ego, either.
A few winters ago some farmer had a few dead cows out on his property. Guys were rotating there on a daily basis, shooting yotes off if them. Just whoever happened to have a spare couple of hours each morning, no elaborate coordination.
Crown land is open to all. I wouldn't feel bad about using the bait one bit, unless he already was there, and then I'd move along, of course.
This would annoy me, quite a bit actually. If i were to set up a blind on public land, then you can hunt next to it if you want, but there's no way in hell you're going to be stepping in it without permission. hunting on public land and sitting in private property which happens to be on public property are two completely different things. I couldn't go jump in a persons car as they walk up a logging road looking for grouse could I? Doesn't seem all that different to me. Whether the item is left unattended for a day or an hour, its still someones private property and you certainly have no rights to that.
Using a blind that someone built and is not using that day isn't any different from using a camp that someone built and is not using. Everyone in BC uses camps that have been set up and improved over the years by different people. They will have fire rings, meat poles, pole structures for tarps etc. I don't see any real difference.
If someone isn't using it, I don't see any problem with using it, as long as everyone keeps it clean.
He doesn't need your permission LEGALLY.... and anything you do to restrict him from hunting in that blind would be interfering with a legal hunt.... and he could have you charged.... There is a difference between a registered vehicle on a public roadway and a bunch of sticks and burlap you decide to throw up on public land.... now, that being said I agree with you that it's dirty pool and unethical.... there are some places where you can register a duck blind and be given a plaque with a series of numbers which makes that blind "yours" for the season... It's too bad we don't have that here as it could solve that problem...
This being said, a blind and a baitpile are two different things... as you said, you wouldn't expect that putting up the blind meant you owned that section of the river.... so to translate this to the baitpile situation putting up a pile doesn't mean you own the whole field....
I would beg to differ superbrad as far as legally not being able to stop someone from using your blind; if something is your property then there are laws involving trespassing, break and enter, mischief, etc which can be enforced, assuming you have the proper notices posted of course. private property is private property, and its very difficult to argue against that no matter what arena.
But i guess the question also comes down to what your interpretation of a blind is. As you mentioned, a bunch of sticks and burlap would never even in my mind stand up to being "mine and only mine!" you are absolutely correct that that type of structure is one of opportunity where the surroundings are used to make it, and so it belongs to the surrounding nature. I should have clarified in my earlier post so I apologize as I was referring to an actual pop up style blind, or actual building structure with walls and windows type of blind. something you buy or fabricate... when i was stating i wouldn't want someone in my hut.
I think it is commendable to open up a year round camp for others to use and enjoy assuming of course that everyone does their bit to help it; and to be honest if i owned a camp like that i wouldn't mind letting others use it also, but i feel that when it's a temporary shack, where i take a time off work and brought up for a weekend, or week, or what ever, then it's not so much of an "abandoned" (i know year round camps aren't abandoned per say, but being left there all year round its not in as much of an immediate use..) then it should be understood that it's not a communal thing, and that it was brought up for a specific purpose; for ME to hunt in.
Here's my train of thought: I build a shack, book my week off from work, throw it on the trailer and tow it up from Toronto to where ever it is i am going to hunt with the intention of bringing it back when the hunt is done. It wouldn't be a year round camp like was suggested above, but would then almost be more of a temporary shelter. At that point, is it any different from the tent at your camp site? And what right does a random person have to use my private property? I don't feel it is all that different, and i don't believe i need to sacrifice my holiday because another hunter found a hut and decided it was fair game.
I guess the whole question of ethics and interpretation is a pretty wide range depending on experiences
Again I-bloom... I beg to differ.... from a legal standpoint anyways.... I think you and I obviously agree on an ethical level.... I would never ever use someone else's blind or treestand or camp in their tent hut or whatever....
The fact is that the land you are building this structure on doesn't belong to you..... and as soon as you "abandon" that blind on public property it is no longer yours...
Like I said, that is why some places have blind registration which reserves your right to the blind as long as you build it within certain specifications and pay a small fee to register it..... similar to how we do our ice fishing huts here...
The fact is that the land you are building this structure on doesn't belong to you..... and as soon as you "abandon" that blind on public property it is no longer yours...
Like I said, that is why some places have blind registration which reserves your right to the blind as long as you build it within certain specifications and pay a small fee to register it..... similar to how we do our ice fishing huts here...
Its that guys baitpile and public land. Use the public land and not his bait pile.
If you benefit a 100 or more yards away from his pile being there great.
Try to contact the guy and see how he feels about it all. Being cordial goes a long way.
Public land or not, if I setup my treestand and a bait pile (like we do in Alberta) and show up to find you sitting in it, I'll be telling you to get the hell outta my stand, and setup your own. And if my site is marked (like it is supposed to be) you are actually interfering with my hunt. So get off my lawn,....
If you benefit a 100 or more yards away from his pile being there great.
Try to contact the guy and see how he feels about it all. Being cordial goes a long way.
Public land or not, if I setup my treestand and a bait pile (like we do in Alberta) and show up to find you sitting in it, I'll be telling you to get the hell outta my stand, and setup your own. And if my site is marked (like it is supposed to be) you are actually interfering with my hunt. So get off my lawn,....
Doesn't work that way here in Ontario.... you can't "mark" public land...
I also think there is a difference between a tree stand over a bait pile and 100 yard long field and a pile of meat...
Quite frankly, if you want exclusive rights and the ability to keep an area to yourself then buy some land....
The problem in southern ontario is lots want to hunt little land....
Always best to buy your own... If you can't afford that then get a lease.... if you can't afford that ask for permission..... don't want to do that then suck it up and fight over what little scraps are left.....
