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I suppose the Creedmore matters if matching a cartridge to a short action matters. I like long actions better anyway, so for me a 6.5X55, a 6.5-284, or a .264 Winchester are all better choices.
what does a 6.5 creedmore do that a 6.5 x 55 doesn't?
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The 6.5 Creedmoor will get more popular due to the fact that the US military has adopted the round.
Hopefully the 300 Norma Mag catches on soon too, they adopted it 2 years ago and I bet very few ever heard about it outside a small circle.
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.thefi...1/socom-chooses-300-norma-magnum-for-asr/amp/
6.5 Creedmoor for me - I get under 1 inch groups (.75'ish) at 100 yards with FACTORY ammo - all day long - why would I invest in dies, powder and projectiles if off the shelf ammo does it for me. The 6.5 took all the load development out of the equation.
It's a great cartridge - since I bought 120 rounds of Hornady 120g ELD's have only fired 40 for break in procedure and the next 60 rounds shot during three range visits. Very accurate and consistent that is my experience with the 6.5 creedmoor. Am sure the other cartridges are good also - just my two cents on what a real consumer experienced.
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ivob
It's a great cartridge - since I bought 120 rounds of Hornady 120g ELD's have only fired 40 for break in procedure and the next 60 rounds shot during three range visits. Very accurate and consistent that is my experience with the 6.5 creedmoor. Am sure the other cartridges are good also - just my two cents on what a real consumer experienced.
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ivob
They use the 338 Lapua and 50 BMG as well,but I hope you understand the different appeal of the CM and why it appeals to a much broader audience.
Many rifles , in many chamberings will shoot sub moa with factory loads, but I still choose to handload for my centerfire rifles. It's not only about cost, but about achieving even better accuracy.
To me, landloading let's me choose different of bullets and observe their performances. Accuracy is second or third goal, or a byproduct. For hunting, 0.75moa is already too good.
If velocity and maybe feeding are your criteria, but velocity can always be one upped.
My 6.5x47 Lapua, which we all know is the best one for a short action, does 2920fps with the 129 ablr/130 Berger and 2775fps with the 140berger and it's a 24" barrel and brass lasts at least 10 firings. I haven't tried the 142 eldx yet but they seem to shoot a touch faster than the Berger's in my experience. I'm not sure why 2800fps can't be done with a 6.5 CM in a 24" barrel and Lapua brass.
I've had the 260 rem and the 6.5x55, in hunting rifles and a t3 varmint in 6.5x55. both shoot good and both have good factory ammo and components available. All the 6.5 cm does that the 6.5x55 doesn't is fit in a shot action, but not as good as the 6.5x47L lol.
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6.5X55 and the 260 Remington are both excellent cartridges. F-class shooters prefer the 6.5 CM because it allows for a longer C.O.L with long VLD bullets in a short action. The US military chose the CM after extensive testing with it and the 260 remington. There was no difference with feeding reliability in automatic weapons. They went with the cartridge that allowed more room for a variety of bullets. The CM is also an excellent hunting cartridge, plenty of ammo and components to choose from. If I was buying a new rifle, I would probably go with the CM, why not?
x2. I recently bought a sako AIII swede and love it. I saw no reason to get a needmore.
This has been my experience with the 6.5x47 lapua as well. I launch 130 Berger at 2850 fps half a grain below published max loads. No pressure signs on the brass. I'm sure the creedmoor should be able to get to 2800 with 140's using sturdy lapua brass.
I wonder if a 6.5CM can be reamed out for 260AI?
The funny part about this is that anyone that is high on the Ackley anything should immediately like what they see in the CM case. But I suspect you likely don’t shoot the 260 AI?
I shoot a 260 AI, three 260 Rems, a 6.5/284 and there is absolutely none of them I would trade for a creedmoor. Cases dimensions have all sorts of advantages on paper but these all do what I ask of them. Shoot small enough groups on paper and kill deer sized game at medium ranges. Like a 270 win or the 6.5 swede. Dead antelope courtesy of a 6.5/284 last year. Nothing special about a CM. Sorry to say.
I shoot a 260 AI, three 260 Rems, a 6.5/284 and there is absolutely none of them I would trade for a creedmoor. Cases dimensions have all sorts of advantages on paper but these all do what I ask of them. Shoot small enough groups on paper and kill deer sized game at medium ranges. Like a 270 win or the 6.5 swede. Dead antelope courtesy of a 6.5/284 last year. Nothing special about a CM. Sorry to say.
The 6.5-284 is an awfully likeable cartridge...
The CM is a well designed, well thought out cartridge... with a lot of manufacturer marketing and productuon will behind it... but it is just a cartridge, it abides by the laws of physics like the rest of the 6.5's... if I was worried about millimeters @ 700 yards it might pique my interest... but I am worried about centimeters @ 300 yards, so my .260 and 6.5x55 are more than sufficient to perforate hide where I want it perforated.
The CM will feed into a short action and a Swede needs a long action. If its just performance/MV, the Swede wins. The CM has other advantages if those advantages are necessary, say like a SA, then of course the Swede can't do that. In a modern action with modern powders and pressures, the CM will never be able to overtake a Swede. But, if there is a whole laundry list of other criteria - like SA, mil SpecOps approved, F-class cool - well then take the CM... and go shoot deer but keep within its limitations. I wouldn't use it on an elk at 400 and be very reluctant to use it at 300. It just doesn't have enough of a punch IMHO for ethical shooting. And yes the interweb will erupt with "my nephew/niece did it." If you're an expert shot and will guarantee superb placement, it will do the job but I don't often come across the perfect shot presentation in most hunting situations and most hunters aren't up to making perfect shots.
I think it is a great range gun, good on small size-big game (deer) at reasonable ranges (...and apparently man-sized targets...). To be clear, SpecOps sees it as an intermediate calibre in semi-auto weapons that will be used for the light machine gun as well. Don't get me wrong, I like the CM, I've shot it (and a 260) but it is not a wonder cartridge with magical killing powers. It is a curio of small case capacity that shoots well and is pleasant on the shoulder. Shoot it wisely!
