What does my "once in a lifetime" hunting rifle look like? Answer Given

Barrels from R93 do not fit R8 because R8 has wider collet and the diameter of the barrel at the receiver has to be bigger. R93 was not good enough, so changing it to R8 was even worse because barrels don't match? Any other rifle around was made not worthy because a barrel from ANOTHER model didn't drop fit into a new design? Come on.

R8 trigger group specifically has an internal lever to lock it in the receiver.

Heym sr30 receiver and bolt housing are much longer and way more traditional compared to R93.
 
medvedqc said:
ideas i dont know but on the r93 there is no bolt stop like on the heym sr30.

barrels used on the r93 are not useable on the r8 ...

hope you dont think about loosing the trigger group and magazine of the r8 ...

they have great barrel for sure, the optic mounting system is excellent (barrel mount) but no sure the price asked is worth it.

but that is just and yes i used blaser and most of my friends are still using them ...

good marketing has i said before.

they re good mechanically industrial gun but not handcrafted ones.
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I've had all kinds of different rifles and none are as consistently accurate as the Blaser. Some don't like the style or function of the straight pull, that's fine, but it doesn't mean it's inferior in any way.

I've shot and handled guns that cost more than some people's houses, with intricate engraving and the rarest wood, and most of them didn't shoot worth a crap and quite a few had malfunctions ranging from misaligned mounts, poorly lapped rings, binding bolts, etc. They sure looked nice though!
The R93 does exactly what it's intended to do and you pay for that innovation which no other gun on the current market can duplicate. I'm not a fan of the R8 because of the magazine/trigger assembly, but that's a personal choice.

Funny how I always hear about the QD mounts being overpriced. Other than EAW pivot mounts or SEM mounts, I haven't found another set up that's as consistently accurate in returning to zero, and those cost as much or more. Then there are the countless other mounts and rings that cost the same; NEAR, Nightforce, Farrell, etc. I suppose we should all use Weaver tip off rings and alloy bases.
 
Bearkilr and owlowl,

the OP thread was about one a lifetime gun and i dont think a basic industrial product fits in.

EAW are not perfect for sure especially if you need a magnum feet but we disgres.
 
medvedqc said:
merkel, suhl or krupp barrels are really a step above ...
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Merkel is step above of a Sauer Mauser Blaser? Merkel? Seriously? People who were so upset about Blaser straight pulls that they made KR1 as close as they could, still a total flop, with a trigger plate on a hinge which covers the magazine.

But it was so unsuccessful that they had to try again and made up Helix. This hideous assembly:

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They do good shotguns, because its has been bread and butter for very long time, but in rifles, I doubt they even close to Sauer, Blaser, Mauser.
 
medvedqc said:
the OP thread was about one a lifetime gun and i dont think a basic industrial product fits in.
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The OP has a budget, $10k with optics included. We are exploring in that area. German "industrial product" rifles are $5k, sorry.

Vintage Holland & Holland double is discussed in a thread nearby, very nice but way over the budget here.

medvedqc said:
owlowl,

i dont want to make it personal.

i said merkel barrels not their actions or rifles.

im not easy to catch sometimes but dont say what i didnt ...
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But you can't fire a barrel, you need a rifle as a sum of all components. What good can a better barrel make if the rifle together is inferior.

Nothing personal from my side, didn't mean to offend, just arguments as I see it.
 
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Styer Mannlicher CL2, classic safety wheel



Styer Mannlicher SM12, with cocking/decocking


Love the barrel finish from the hammer forging. But I've heard that Canadian distribution was quite... shoddy?
 
The point on quality quick detach mounts not being cheap is a good one. I like Recknagel pivot mounts, I bought four sets and Wolverine wants $2500 a set. Found a source fortunately for my second, third, and fourth sets that cut that figure down a good bit, still not cheap however. And after all that, I never hunt with a scope! Preparing for old age I suppose.
 
I would look into the Sauer 202 system.. a very nice setup in my opinion.

I'm running a 202 Classic in .300 win mag with S&B zenith in a 56mm objective in EAW detachable claw mounts and have to say, I'm growing very fond of it after the first season in the field.



As others have mentioned, swapping barrels is very easy and would allow you pick up another barrel on the same action size (maybe 6.5 swede and 30.06?). The cost of a barrel is (ballpark) 1/3 the cost of the rifle, so it's a nice option.

There is a downside though and that is weight.. my setup comes in at a portly 10lbs+.. Sauer does offer quite a few rifles with a synthetic stock though and in a standard action with a smaller scope should be a fair bit lighter.

Another rather annoying point, in my opinion, is that the freaking magazine only holds 2 rounds of 300 win.. it is a single stack design and feeds smooth as butter, but still. I picked up an extended mag (4 in the mag) but it obviously doesn't look as nice as a flush mag.

The upside of the weight is that the rifle shoots softly for a magnum, very comfortable, very well balanced, very accurate.

I was previously running a Sako Bavarian 85 with the same scope and optilocks in .300 wsm and unfortunately, I had the dreaded ejection issues (shell casings would ricochet off the bottom of my windage turret on the way out.. very bloody annoying when I noticed what had become a ding on my scope.. it is an issue for some people and there is not much in the way of a solution from the factory.

I miss the trigger on that Sako.. truly a work of art and better than the Sauer trigger in my opinion, which is still very good (single set, if that is your thing.. I don't use mine but some people absolutely love them).

You are in a good place and with your budget, whatever you go with will be a great setup I'm sure! Have fun
 
Yes, lighter options available in the 202, getting a fluted barrel cuts down the weight with any of the versions but the lightest is the Outback

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owlowl said:
How much would that Outback be? Around $4k I believe?
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I am not sure what it would be today, I took almost 2 years to get the way I wanted it from the time of order.

I ordered it in 9.3x62, fluted barrel, set trigger, round bolt knob, with a 270 barrel as well. Roughly a year later it shows up with a 270 barrel in the rifle with no 9.3x62....Takes 8 months to get the barrel, then I find out the 9.3x62 has a longer OAL so I need to order 9.3x62 mags, a few months later they show up. (I only got the 270 barrel in the event of an ammo shortage in the 9.3 and never really intended to use it)

I think you are close with todays prices without the extra barrel.
 
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