what dog for ducks and grouse?

You seem not to understand that the bird will be gone when the collar beeps.

And I don't use any electronic hunting aids for any of my hunts other than an emergency radio and GPS because I don't believe in hanging all these fashion hunter gizmos on a dog. It takes away from my and the dogs hunting fun.

Maybe put some Christmas lights on yours with a remote switch so you can find her in the dark to lift her point in front of your rabbit stall. lol

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Um, well, nearly 30 years of grouse hunting and it hasn't been a problem yet, even on the most skittish of Ruffs, the southern Ontario variety. I've spent an average of 21 days afield for grouse the past three decades, so I like to fool myself that I'm getting a vague handle on them. The past four years I've spent 128 days hunting grouse according to the log book. And that's not like 128 days on which I hunted grouse, I mean 128 days where all I did all day was hunt them.

Maybe it's your dog flushing the birds?

If beeper collars spooked grouse then they sure wouldn't be as popular as they are with grouse hunters, would they? You'd think guys would cotton on to that shortcoming pretty quick. If you don't hunt with one, how on earth would you know?

As I said, with a proper upland dog that ranges as far as it should and works as it should, a bell and collar is pretty much necessary. Yeah, when I've gotten tired of the beeping I'll turn it off, but that sure makes it trickier to find the dog holding a granite steady point on a bird. Not impossible, but trickier. You can pretty much narrow down the bearing from where you heard the bell last, and I know how far out she works, and when you're within 20m or so late season you can see her blaze vest. But it makes it harder.

If you enjoy hunting your way, that's fantastic. That's the whole point of the thing. That's all that matters. Again, my only point is that hunting that way with a retriever is like driving a screw with a hammer. Any day afield with a dog is better than a day with no dog, but it doesn't mean you're using the best tool for the job. That is all.

Always amazes me how retriever guys have to convince everyone they have the best dog for all jobs when that's not even something the breeders that develop them claim.
 
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Most places I hunt upland here in BC you can't even see further than 30-40 meters so that is how far I've seen her point. So there is no need for the dog to point for minutes as it doesn't take me that long to get there. But good suggestion I'll leave her point deliberatly next time to see how she will do.

There is more to upland birds than ruffed grouse, we also hunt Hungarian Partridge and sharptailed grouse, where you often have to cover a lot of ground. I those situations, a dog that works farther from the hunter, covers much more ground, which produces more birds. In those situations, a pointer that points farther, and holds longer produces more birds. And even with pheasants and ruffed grouse, a dog that works farther, is an advantage, as long as they hold point until you reach them. I use a locating collar myself, as my dog is often out of sight in heavy cover.
 
Where do you get it from that a retriever cannot hunt upland?

On the other hand if somebody who knows about water-fowling dogs knows that the indeed good and shiny looking PP above has not the physical tools of the trade to work in harsh wet/snowy conditions around water and in swamps. No waterproof double coat, no webbed feet, no tail that can be effectively used as a rudder when retrieveng out of fast flowing water, the abilty to paddle along a kayak for up to 45 min. at a time...

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Many of the versatile dogs, including the PP and GWP have webbed feet, and dense coats that work well in cold weather.
 
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There is more to upland birds than ruffed grouse, we also hunt Hungarian Partridge and sharptailed grouse, where you often have to cover a lot of ground. I those situations, a dog that works farther from the hunter, covers much more ground, which produces more birds. In those situations, a pointer that points farther, and holds longer produces more birds. And even with pheasants and ruffed grouse, a dog that works farther, is an advantage, as long as they hold point until you reach them. I use a locating collar myself, as my dog is often out of sight in heavy cover.

I can apprechiate that but here where I hunt upland it is grouse, rabbit and ptarmigan in the alpine. No open grassland or brushy grass country. I also don't believe in hanging electronic gizmos on dogs. She does not need to produce more birds because most years I can get my needed limit within a few hunts.

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Many of the versatile dogs, including the PP and GWP have webbed feet, and dense coats that work well in cold weather.

People seem to think all the dog has to do while waterfowling is to retrieve the bird. Very wrong perception there is lots more to it.

IMO, somehow this thread got converted into an upland Poodle Pointer praise. So I leave you to it. Thanks.

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I'd be very surprised to hear any real dog guy say that the Chessie is the only breed left that hasn't had it's hunting instincts bred out of it.

That's a laughably stupid statement. It sounds ike something someone with no experience with varied breeds of hunting dogs or any knowledge of dog breeding programs might say... which is why I ask. It's like saying "well my gun's the best gun and no other guns are good for hunting so there."

To put a fine point on it, the Chessie wasnt actually developed with hunting instincts. It was developed with retrieving instincts. A dog that you take hunting and a dog with hunting instincts aren't the same thing.

No knock on retrievers - if you need one, you need one. But it constantly amazes me how many retriever owners pipe up in these "what dog" threads suggesting them for upland game. I don't recall ever suggesting a guy in the market for a dedicated waterfowl dog go look at a GSP or Brittany.

Chessies are so full of love, until some dude makes a noise trying to steal your barbeque! And you open the back door for him to go out and take a pee! lol.
 
Go to a dog breeder.....not a store in a mall. See mom and dad see if they can hunt, retrieve.

I had a lab that could hunt all, she had a great nose for upland birds and could swim the river to do a retrieve too.

Saying that it she could hunt all. takes time to train a dog too, hand and whistle signals it you put in the time you get a good field dog.

Try to go to a field trail and see working dogs do what they do best
 
I can apprechiate that but here where I hunt upland it is grouse, rabbit and ptarmigan in the alpine. No open grassland or brushy grass country. I also don't believe in hanging electronic gizmos on dogs. She does not need to produce more birds because most years I can get my needed limit within a few hunts.


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I would suggest at least having some understanding before forming an opinion.
A beep on point collar is hardly a newfangled electronic gizmo. Its also not really intrusive at all.
The only only gizmo you're going to hang on a dog is a shock collar and a locator. Never a bad idea not to lose your dog.

Birds don't flush at a bell, no reason they would flush at a beep.

Whether you choose to hang all four items on a dog or none or any combo is completely up to your discretion. But no need to tell others they are wrong just because you don't understand.
 
I would suggest at least having some understanding before forming an opinion.
A beep on point collar is hardly a newfangled electronic gizmo. Its also not really intrusive at all.
The only only gizmo you're going to hang on a dog is a shock collar and a locator. Never a bad idea not to lose your dog.

Birds don't flush at a bell, no reason they would flush at a beep.

Whether you choose to hang all four items on a dog or none or any combo is completely up to your discretion. But no need to tell others they are wrong just because you don't understand.

Oh, I can understand why some dog owners put electric gizmos on their companion. They think they can get more game or get their dog if it's lost. I've never mentioned or stated they are wrong. I said "I don't believe in it", that's all.

As far as I'm concerned they can hang Christmas lights on them, dress them up in camo and put a ribbon in their coat with four others gizmos dangling from their neck. Them dogs really like that - it's in their nature lol.

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Thanks bud, just keep on double/triple posting your Woodle Pointer pics. The Internet needs it.

RR

Is this not your triple dog pic post, mastermind?

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How about a classic North American breed? I have a Chesapeake Bay Retriever.

Mine has well developed gun/birddog instincts. Her swimming abilties and determination are unreal as well as her devotion to guard home & family. Very happy having her.

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