What is a good option for a 22?
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The new T-bolt is kind of nice
Yeah it "Could be"! I have owned three and currently still own one which has a Jard trigger. The factory trigger is a plastic cassette POS that is not adjustable. Which is blatent false advertising by Browning. No worries though as theyre more worried about selling seat covers and clothing with their logo than building the quality guns they once manufactured. They are accurate but highly overpriced.
It's odd, Bornwing/Winchester can make some of the highest quality guns for the price. But then go ahead and make some absolute trash where the floated barrel is touching the stock, or like in the Browning A5 the silver bead completely obscures the front fiber optic. I guess it comes down to everything gets lemons, and where they are having them manufactured. I wouldn't touch their Turkish shotguns, but am a huge fan of most of the stuff coming out of their miroku partnership.
Savage Mark II could be had at a reasonable price - iron sights would be a bonus - I got one and have over 4K rounds out of her clean it from time to time and spend the rest of the money your saving on ammo and a 4x32 Simmons scope and your good to go.
sillymike
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
That too bad, I got to play with the sporter (straight, not monte- carlo stock). It handled nice and was minute-of-12g-shell accurate while plinking.
sillymike
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Depending on your budget, there's also the Cooper JSR
If you're OK shopping for a used rifle, there are a few nice sporters floating around
- Browning/Winchester repro M52
- Kimber K22
- Sako P72, P94 and Finnfire
- Remington 504 (from what I gathered, accuracy can be a it or miss)
- Browning A-Bolt (Not a benchrest gun by any stretch of the imagination)
- Ruger 77/22, fun as it can share magazine with the 10/22
If you're OK shopping for a used rifle, there are a few nice sporters floating around
- Browning/Winchester repro M52
- Kimber K22
- Sako P72, P94 and Finnfire
- Remington 504 (from what I gathered, accuracy can be a it or miss)
- Browning A-Bolt (Not a benchrest gun by any stretch of the imagination)
- Ruger 77/22, fun as it can share magazine with the 10/22
That sure looks nice. I watch a Fortner action win a CRPS match last year.
Some pretty nice stuff for sure. I saw a few pics of the B22 and thought it looked good, but when I looked closer I’m not really sure that’s my thing... I’ll keep looking and see what’s out there. I appreciate all of the input.
Yes, the dovetails. They are junk.
That's an unusual claim about CZ dovetails. Can you elaborate why you believe they are junk?
The availability, the limited sizes, the weaker system. Everything about them are substandard to a good Weaver/picatinny/integral rail system.
But being open minded I'm interested to hear why they might be superior.
sillymike
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Weaker, technically. Yes.
But we're talking 22lr, quality rings properly installed shouldn't move. I've had god luck with Talley/Warne/BKL/Burris rings
- And I recently learned that EAW make 11mm roll off base...
But we're talking 22lr, quality rings properly installed shouldn't move. I've had god luck with Talley/Warne/BKL/Burris rings
- And I recently learned that EAW make 11mm roll off base...
No one said they were superior. When used on a rimfire as they should be used, there's no reason to say they are junk, insufficiently strong or reliable, or substandard -- unless that view were unalterably held.
Except for variation in dovetail dimensions between some 452 models, the 11mm CZ dovetails are no different from other European .22 rimfire rifle makers in how they function. There may have slight differences in dimensions from one make of rifle to another, but dovetail grooves are quite effective in mounting sights. The minimal recoil in rimfire rifles doesn't require the weaver/picatinny system's ability to withstand high levels of recoil. International Olympic-style shooters find no issue with using the 11mm dovetail grooves on their rifles when mounting their sights, including biathlon competitors who put their rifles through more rigorous use. The reason many European rifles have dovetails only is because they are more than sufficiently solid and reliable. Shooters of European rifles that aren't D&T'd for bases are able to use the dovetails for scope mounting without concern for dependability -- with the provision, of course, that the correct type of dovetail rings are used.
Many CZ shooters, especially those using 452's, may experience problems when they don't get the correct size dovetail rings as some 452 models have 3/8" grooves instead of 11mm. Many North American made .22 rimfires have 3/8" dovetail grooves. There are rings for 3/8" grooves and there are rings for 11mm grooves. These are often not interchangeable. But there are rings that work effectively on either one, with a reversible clamp plate or a design that easily works on both, such as BKL.
Many North American shooters are more accustomed to weaver/picatinny style rings and bases as a result of centerfire shooting. As a result, many North American .22 rimfire rifles come with bases or rails. The rails are available with elevated cant to allow for shooting at further distances with .22LR; elevation adjustable dovetails are available but these have more moving parts and as a result may be considered less reliable.
The long and short of it is that dovetails can be used with complete confidence to mount scopes on a .22 rimfire rifle. It's necessary, however, to use the correct size rings, and to avoid cheap rings, just as anyone should avoid cheap weaver style rings.
I'd agree with this^. Would I prefer weaver? Sure, I'd prefer the receiver is cast/machined with an integrated, 0MOA weaver rail. (like a Tikka Super Varmint=I wish!) For me, it's scope ring options that make me wish the dovetail wasn't a dovetail but otherwise, it would never be a deciding factor on a .22 for me.
As for the comments on the T1x stock-sure, it's plastic...but no more plastic-y than the T3x (centerfire) stock. Because it actually IS the same stock, minus the recoil pad...and a molded (removable) plastic shim forward of the receiver. If you dislike the T1x stock, you must dislike all the T3x stocks too. lol Nothing to love/hate about them as far as I'm concerned, they do their job.
I never said that dovetails don't work. Only that they're an inferior system and, at this point with the technology we have, they don't need to be used. I have a 452, 455, and 457. All of which have optics that work and were installed properly.
