What is a good option for a 22?

sillymike said:
On a more serious note, I wouldn't be surprised if Savage used the 64 action as a "reference" while designing their MKii
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, except for who designed it. It was designed almost four decades before the Mk II had anything to do with Savage. The design is by Lakefield Arms in 1969, a bunch of Canadians in Lakefield ON who wanted to start building something after their boat yard shut down. Don't people remember Lakefield Mk IIs for sale up until the late 90s or thereabouts? I mean if you look at then it's pretty obvious they're nearly identical in design, if not materials and tolerances and finishing.
 
Rod B said:
If one was to use your description then most of the popular bolt action .22's are almost identical.
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Really? You see the same similarities between the 64 and the Mk II that you see in a CZ or Ruger or Tikka or Steyr or Lithgow or Norinco clone action? Did I leave any out? That should cover off most all of the popular bolt .22s, unless you want to count Vudoo as popular also, which would be fine, because they're completely different.

Which of those are almost identical to the 64 / Mk II action? I can think of some very serious design and manufacture differences between all of those and the 64/Mk II.

It takes some serious mechanical illiteracy to look at those two actions side by side and not see the direct lineage, even if one was totally ignorant about the history of their development.
 
sillymike said:
Savage/Anschutz have worked together in the from the 60s into the 80s
- Anschutz rifles were sold in North America under the Savage/Anschutz name
- Savage rifles were sold in the EU under the Anschutz/Savage

I stumbled on this tonight, trying to find out when they actually began working together
https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/G0464.pdf
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Yes, absolutely. There are also CIL Anschutzes.

My understanding is that I don't know of any business connection between Lakefield Arms and Anschutz though. You have to remember it was only 1995 that Savage acquired Lakefield Arms and the same rifles Lakefield had been making since day one were branded as Savages. Despite the similarities of the Mk II / 64, that had ZERO to do with Savage until 1995. Savage and Anschutz or CIL and Anschutz having branding arrangements in the 60s had NOTHING to do with Lakefield Arms prior to 1995.
 
That's really not so Silly Mike, a great resource. I just typed the year in the Search box ... duh! I didn't know you could find Archived 'Guns' magazine from back then. My dad used to get them back then, I was just a teener.
 
Buck1950 said:
That's really not so Silly Mike, a great resource. I just typed the year in the Search box ... duh! I didn't know you could find Archived 'Guns' magazine from back then. My dad used to get them back then, I was just a teener.
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Yeah, way cool. God I hope someone saved the old Century and Le Baron and Wholesale Sports catalogs...
 
Thanks for all of the input. One question was asked about “the feel” of the CZ, it just fits me differently than I prefer, feels a little chunky in the hands. It’s hard to explain. Certainly appreciate the input and have a lot of options to check out.
 
BigBraz15 said:
Thanks for all of the input. One question was asked about “the feel” of the CZ, it just fits me differently than I prefer, feels a little chunky in the hands. It’s hard to explain. Certainly appreciate the input and have a lot of options to check out.
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How do you shoot it again ??
 
I'm not aware of any relationship between Lakefield and Anschutz. The Savage Mark II, which is a Lakefield design, is superficially similar to the Anschutz 64. It's also similar to other inexpensive bolt action rifles. While an absence of evidence to support the contention that the Lakefield design was adapted from the Anschutz 64, no published sources appear to confirm that specific relationship. For more on the Lakefield rifle, see h t t p s://calibremag.ca/classic-canadian-rimfires-compared/
 
sillymike said:
Maybe someone who knows more about Savage will step in, but for a reason or another, I thought that at one time Savage's 22lr bolt action rifles were rebranded Stevens... and then they started to sell rebranded Lakefields?
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Perhaps? I'm not into Savage history really. I don't ever recall Savage selling Lakefield manufactured rifles until the mid 90s. I can still picture the Lakefield logo in the LeBaron catalogue lol. In the world of rebranded .22s, it would certainly seem possible, I just don't recall it.
 
grauhanen said:
Voere and Krico each made relatively inexpensive bolt action rimfire rifles with bolts operating much like the Anschutz 64. There may be others but those are two that I've had.
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Sure, I think those look pretty darn similar. Certainly the broad strokes anyway. There's definitely a design link there.

But that's four manufacturers... That's the same number of manufacturers that make Brno/CZ actions style .22 actions. That's a pretty tight design lineage. In any case, I'm not sure how having more manufacturers than Lakefield draw on the 64 action design suggests that Lakefield didn't... Unless those Voere and Krico rifles predate the 64.

I will say I'm surprised that the design lineage of the Anschutz 64 action isn't immediately apparent, it's quite a distinctive and unique .22 action.
 
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