what is it with people and HK

My only experience with HK was having the opportunity to fire fullauto Mp-5 a few years ago. A ton of fun and I was very impressed, and if you look at who uses them they must have something going for them.
 
I stand corrected on HK recent sales.

Too bad they won't bother to sell anything to me, I guess.

Of course, I can't afford a Porsche, either.

Neal
 
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HK used to make some amazing guns, but it seems the company is not what it used to be. From an engineering perspective the G3 and MP5 are great platforms. The roller-locking principle is a neat and innovative idea, and HK used to be full of those. The VP-70 concept now dominates a good chunk of the pistol market and the G11 concept is still ahead of its time.

HK has changed though, maybe it lost too many of its good engineers. I think it started with the G36, and went downhill from there. Don't get me wrong, the 416 is a pretty good platform, but its an older concept that HK vastly improved upon. I believe there is no innovation left within HK anymore, and my beliefs will only be confirmed when HK decides to make a 1911.
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Consider the fact the baby-boomers (senior engineers) are all retiring, that I think, is the problem.
 
AlderTK said:
yeah i think that was they're first and only good product i mean yeah the USP match looks cool but it's not even in they're pruduct line yet every one allways go where can i get the guns lara croft uses.

she'd be better of with a nice pair of 1911s so much more custemisable so much more relable so much more feild reparable so much less crappy
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I thought she used a Desert Eagle in the movie, with like, a 20 shot mag..:rolleyes:
 
Own two.

UMP in .45 and USP in .45. I think they bear the utmost quality in construction.

Maybe mine just works better than the ones you saw in the video games though?
 
ok if the only way you can argue is to say i am a 15 year old... week

if you can'tfind logic from any sorce your not all that intleigeant your self.

My arguement is about the bloody fan boys who rant about they're products yet never handle them on most occasion and never will

they may be good guns the SAS are known for being picky SOB's when it comes to they're gear my problem is with the fact that HK has had some ignorant markiting practisies and allot of the Fans who where snubbed one year when HK first imported the HK416 and refused to sell even the uppers to any one with out a Mil/LEO end user certificate ran to they're local dealer the next year when they announced they where going tosell to civilians

i have handle a few of they're guns and they are nice but i have never sean them being worth the price. so what if MP5 are highly reliable ok so what they're prohib i'll never own one since by the time we repeal the full auto ban and all that other BS i'll likly be dead and bury'ed

the g36 can be imported ina semi auto version when people brought they're product they're whent ape #### over it. instead the import the SL8 not a bad gun but at 3 grand didn't very comfortable when i heandled it at the sportsmans show

oh and by the way the 2 guns in my sig are mine so F off if your going to resort to immature name calling do you have any thing valid other then BS insults
 
AlderTK said:
ok if the only way you can argue is to say i am a 15 year old... week

if you can'tfind logic from any sorce your not all that intleigeant your self.

My arguement is about the bloody fan boys who rant about they're products yet never handle them on most occasion and never will

they may be good guns the SAS are known for being picky SOB's when it comes to they're gear my problem is with the fact that HK has had some ignorant markiting practisies and allot of the Fans who where snubbed one year when HK first imported the HK416 and refused to sell even the uppers to any one with out a Mil/LEO end user certificate ran to they're local dealer the next year when they announced they where going tosell to civilians

i have handle a few of they're guns and they are nice but i have never sean them being worth the price. so what if MP5 are highly reliable ok so what they're prohib i'll never own one since by the time we repeal the full auto ban and all that other BS i'll likly be dead and bury'ed

the g36 can be imported ina semi auto version when people brought they're product they're whent ape s**t over it. instead the import the SL8 not a bad gun but at 3 grand didn't very comfortable when i heandled it at the sportsmans show

oh and by the way the 2 guns in my sig are mine so F off if your going to resort to immature name calling do you have any thing valid other then BS insults
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Spell check...

It helps you from looking like a moron.


Second helpful comment. You are best at least getting your ducks in a row fact wise. Hk bent over backwards for the American public with its products - the Hk91, 92 and 94 are prime examples -- and Bush Sr.'s Semi-Auto Import Ban of '89 hammered them for their work.
Unified Germany had a number of export crushing laws designed so that potential weapons of war could not be used to stain German vitrue. They have since relaxed. Several peope high up in Hk wanted the the bastard creature of mix teutonic and American culture (416 and 417 projects) to die. By the time Hk decided the 41X (now joined by the Hk418 in 6.8) was not going to die, and they where best off accepting it, the BATFE decided to sink the system with their "well" thoughout barrel ban.

Hk can be rude yes, however they are also remarkable weapon designers. Failure to accept this only makes one look like and idiot (looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...) hate them for their Tuetonic indifference, but admire their goods.


Edit - I would not use a 9mm or any other pistol calibre round in a primary weapon system. The Mp-5 while nice at a time, was and is a niche weapon, and for 99% of its use the nice has been eclipsed -- I would retain the SD guns for certain other aspects.
 
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Kev, one of your previous comments during an equally puzzling thread about the SMG, where you described it as being "a great choice of gun to go to the PX in your flip-flops to get an ice-cream cone" has now become a favored classic.

Actually, it is formative in my first line bank of comments in defense of why I paid so much to get one. When people ask why, I tell them that I need it for my weekend ice-cream trips

When that fails, I rely on the old stand-by and tell them about the zombie threat.

I'm sure 6 months from now I'll find some similar great value from this thread. Not sure where quite yet,

but one day.....
 
Hk can be rude yes, however they are also remarkable weapon designers. Failure to accept this only makes one look like and idiot (looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...) hate them for their Tuetonic indifference, but admire their goods.
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Clearly HK represents a company very committed to the design and manufacture of firearms.One only needs to look at the HK94 that was sold in the US, representing the popular MP5 used by the police/ military.No doubt to answer the calls of the civilian market in the US.It should also be noted that HK has a "international" presence in the manufacturing and sales of firearms. Yes the US is a large market due to the "right to keep and bear" arms but many other countries are using HK firearms. I have used the G36K and from my experience it worked for me as a lefty, its totally ambi, which I liked, just my opinion. One also has to remember that HK as a company and manufacturer is driven by LE/MIL sales thats where the money is. It should be noted that most, if not all of the HK line of firearms have had a civilian release in some form or another, doesn't seem like a company ignoring the civilian side of the business to me? Just my $0.02Cheers.
 
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I have a HK USP in .40 S&W right now and it is the best gun that I own, every time I clean it I actually look forward to it because there isnt any bull#### involved. I get pissed off when I have to dissemble other handguns... I won't mention any...I have shot 5500 rounds through it at this point with only 2 malfunctions (stovepipe), which is not something I can say about other guns that malfunction every time I take them to the range. Not only is the basic concpet flawless, but craftmanship is second to none.

I have only owned 3 different HK guns, and they were all equally amazing. Customer support was never needed. And obviously civilian sales are very important to this company, although they are driven by LE/Military sales. When buying a gun I dont give a crap about how they treat their customers. If the gun fits me and shoots reliably I buy it. And HK has never let me down in that respect.
 
KevinB said:
Spell check...

It helps you from looking like a moron.


Second helpful comment. You are best at least getting your ducks in a row fact wise. Hk bent over backwards for the American public with its products - the Hk91, 92 and 94 are prime examples -- and Bush Sr.'s Semi-Auto Import Ban of '89 hammered them for their work.
Unified Germany had a number of export crushing laws designed so that potential weapons of war could not be used to stain German vitrue. They have since relaxed. Several peope high up in Hk wanted the the bastard creature of mix teutonic and American culture (416 and 417 projects) to die. By the time Hk decided the 41X (now joined by the Hk418 in 6.8) was not going to die, and they where best off accepting it, the BATFE decided to sink the system with their "well" thoughout barrel ban.

Hk can be rude yes, however they are also remarkable weapon designers. Failure to accept this only makes one look like and idiot (looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...) hate them for their Tuetonic indifference, but admire their goods.


Edit - I would not use a 9mm or any other pistol calibre round in a primary weapon system. The Mp-5 while nice at a time, was and is a niche weapon, and for 99% of its use the nice has been eclipsed -- I would retain the SD guns for certain other aspects.
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I was wondering how you would rate the MP5SD balistic performance compared to that of an AR SBR using a can with subsonic ammo. Both using subsonic ammo, wouldnt the MP5SD at CQB distance have the edge for results as the the subsonic ammo wouldnt fragment from a shorty AR leaving you with a .22 hole vs a 9mm hole? I heard that tac teams switched to the AR as it didnt penetrate walls as bad as the MP5..but balistically in this application isnt the MP5SD superior? Or am I missing something?:confused:

I would like to take my SBR down to the US to try a full auto lower on it with a can on the upper..but I cant get the upper into the country cause of the tax stamp bs..
 
AlderTK none of your argument really makes sense.
and your logic, non existent.
for someone whos only held ( note: HELD ) an MP5, you've got alot to say about fanboys doing the same, and HK and the quality of their firearms.
Fanboys.. well who cares about fanboys .. they will like whatever appeals to them, just like everyone else, for their own reasons .i.e my dream firearm - Barrett M82A1 - why ? i think its frikken awesome .... just like little 13yr old timmy down the road playing CS:S, loving his HK MP5
 
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I was wondering how you would rate the MP5SD balistic performance compared to that of an AR SBR using a can with subsonic ammo. Both using subsonic ammo, wouldnt the MP5SD at CQB distance have the edge for results as the the subsonic ammo wouldnt fragment from a shorty AR leaving you with a .22 hole vs a 9mm hole? I heard that tac teams switched to the AR as it didnt penetrate walls as bad as the MP5..but balistically in this application isnt the MP5SD superior? Or am I missing something?:confused:

I would like to take my SBR down to the US to try a full auto lower on it with a can on the upper..but I cant get the upper into the country cause of the tax stamp bs..
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1. You probably aren't going to find any subsonic 556 ammo that functions out of an AR platform. Maybe with a 22LR conversion kit, but certainly not out of any normal/off the shelf AR/M16/416.

2. Simply a matter of physics, at the same velocity, the heavier projectile has more energy.
 
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