what is the different ???

[Win/64]

Do a search of this forum and you will be surprised how many want a choke or have installed chokes on those short s**tty shotties or is it shooty?

BTW you short barrel seems to be getting longer?

I guess I wasn't the only one to notice that. I should shoot more. Apparently 3-4 Flats a week is not enough. A note to "Amphibious" There are 250 rds. to a flat usually.

 

[Covey Ridge]

go out and pattern some then. a 20 mod choke will produce the same pattern as a 30" mod choked barrel given the same distance from the muzzle.

pattern is controled by the barrel's bore, forcing cone, and choke. given identical barrels we have eliminated the afor mentioned 2 factors and it comes down to the choke.

You have missed the obvious! It depends how soon after ingition that the shot charge engages the choke restriction. This will determine a whole new set of variables such as how much shot is damaged and will not be a part of the efficive pattern and how much gas is being burned right at the point that the shot leaves the barrel after comming in collision with the choke. etc. etc.

You go out and do the patterning. You made the initial statement that Win/64 said that you will have to prove.

 

[Covey Ridge]

lets also not forget that wind resistance is a exponetial curve. so sure, your longer shotgun barrel might yeild more velocity at the muzzle, so you make think it will shoot farther (and yes it will, but better bust out your micrometer). but remember we're dealing with shotgun powders, these are very fast burning, your velocity increases per inch of pipe will be very low. so lets say you get a whopping 150fps gain from a 30" pipe vs. a 22"! wooooo hoooooo! now +150fps at the muzzle doesn't mean you'll have 150more fps @ 40yrs. the faster you go the more force pushes back exponetially. now my math isn't good enough to tell you the exaxt figures. but if you gained more then a yard or 2 of useable pattern I would be very suprised. again, realm of practicality to the original posters question: will a 28" pipe shoot further then his 26? no. will the pattern be tighter farther out? no.

and you got the nerve to call Chuck Hawkes an ass hat

 

[archie_james_c]

So basically what this has taught us is that a 20" cylinder bore will kill a ruffed grouse just as good as a 28" no? Good then I'll be ordering my 870 TAC 2, thanks.

 

[Amphibious]

ugh, this is like trying to teach a dog to play chess.

you guys need to do some homework and shoot more. I'm done here.

 

[Win/64]

ugh, this is like trying to teach a dog to play chess.

you guys need to do some homework and shoot more. I'm done here.

I find it hard to admit when I'm wrong too.

 

[stubblejumper]

Getting back to the original question,all other factors being equal,I doubt that anyone will see any significant differences in pattern or velocity between a 26" barrel,and a 28" barrel on a shotgun.

 

[Covey Ridge]

stubblejumper's post as well as his initial comment in Post 3 on this thread, pretty well sums up and answers the original poster's question.

All the rest was just entertainment and different points of view

 

[Covey Ridge]

So basically what this has taught us is that a 20" cylinder bore will kill a ruffed grouse just as good as a 28" no? Good then I'll be ordering my 870 TAC 2, thanks.

Dead is dead.

 

[Covey Ridge]

ugh, this is like trying to teach a dog to play chess.
QUOTE]

If it is an old dog, you have to know more than the dog to teach it anything

 

[northwoodslivin]

It makes a slight difference. A 28" barrel is better for ducks and geese and skeet. It will throw the wad of pellets out farther and tighter in my opinion.


And yes Amp, there is a difference, big difference in patterns from a 12" barrel vs a 28" barrel.I would even bet money on that one because I have tested that for myself thanks

In a 28" versus a 26" I doubt that at that point the extra 2" is going to make a significant difference...

 

[Woodsman]

So in a shotgun with fast burning powder, in how much length of barrel is 100 % of the powder burned? I'd guess it's around 22 inches or so?

Any specialists out there that can confirm or correct this guess?

 

[Wildfoot]

It makes a slight difference. A 28" barrel is better for ducks and geese and skeet. It will throw the wad of pellets out farther and tighter in my opinion.


And yes Amp, there is a difference, big difference in patterns from a 12" barrel vs a 28" barrel.I would even bet money on that one because I have tested that for myself thanks

i patterened my 12" grizzly against an old cooey 840 with a similar choke. The patterns were close enough to call the same.

 

[Win/64]

i patterened my 12" grizzly against an old cooey 840 with a similar choke. The patterns were close enough to call the same.

At what yardage?

 

[Wildfoot]

10, 15, 20, 30

id shoot it again and post some pics, but hte cooey was not mine. I will see if i can find someone with a longer barrel shotgun to compare. maybe after deer season ends here i will go pattern the 12" barrel and post some pics anyway.

 

[stubblejumper]

Try a 40 yard pattern as well.

 

[CROWCA]

Remington states that 21" barrel and a 30" barrel both shoot the same distance with the same choke constriction.
They also said the 30" might shoot a negligible amount further but said for all intensive purposes it would be immeasurable.
Since they are a firearms manufacturer I tend to believe them.
What say you.
.

 

[Covey Ridge]

Remington states that 21" barrel and a 30" barrel both shoot the same distance with the same choke constriction.
They also said the 30" might shoot a negligible amount further but said for all intensive purposes it would be immeasurable.
Since they are a firearms manufacturer I tend to believe them.
What say you.
.

You obviously tend to believe them? I know better. I know what they say is not true the same way I know that something like for example their published velocity on most ammo is more wishful thinking instead of 100% truth

 

[CROWCA]

They are backing up your previous post,so now you don't believe them?So your post is untruthful?Pick a side yes or no.

 

[Covey Ridge]

They are backing up your previous post,so now you don't believe them?So your post is untruthful?Pick a side yes or no.

I am not sure which of my previous posts they are backing, and I do not care because the truth is the truth because it is true. It does not become more truthful when it is backed up by a liar. You pick a side! It does not matter to me, which side you are on. Read my posts, it does not take a genious to know my point of view. Your quite late to this thread without any input of your own. There have been many posts on both side and the issue has been beat to death, and it will again in some other thread. Til then, God bless ya, no matter what ya think.