What kind of mark up on guns

ONE POINT that seems to have been orverlooked, in the USA the main producers sell to the large wholesalers, they work on volume (which you can't do in Canada) and a margin of 5% is common....

Here in Canada many, many of the producers in th US and off-shore have appointed exclusive importers of their products. These importers can then put what ever mark up they please, these importers often sell to wholesalers, who sell to retailers, who then sell to you....

As was mentioned here, the small dealer is often offered products by these wholesalers that is selling for less in the box stores....

I really admire the small shops who make a living on "brand name products" it is really cut throat....

Remember how much M-14s were selling for before we got involved ?? We buy large numbers from the factory and sell to you the end-user, major difference in pricing....

Only what I think
John
 
I bought left over ' 08 canned-ham,state side,that's about as Canadian as you can get,the difference was 10%,by the time I factored in gas and a more expensive dealer service,I wasn't ahead by much.I did get the colour I wanted,though.

Sometimes the Canadian dealer has enough volume to be fair on price,Bushnell and Panasonic are two that come to mind. However if you want Leupold or Denon.
 
Free stuff?

You guys get a free sling when you buy a rifle still? I bought a $1400 Tikka a couple years ago in Edmonton and when I asked to throw in the Tikka hat for free, she said she couldn't afford to do it. Was the last rifle purchased from them.

Greg
 
What about IMR powder, made in Canada shipped to the US, packaged labeled and shipped back to us for twice the price they sell there:eek::eek: WTF. Natchez sells for around 14.99 yank a pound, up here 30 onward. Thank f**k for Higginson. He gets all my powder and primer orders.
 
johnl said:
What about IMR powder, made in Canada shipped to the US, packaged labeled and shipped back to us for twice the price they sell there:eek::eek: WTF. Natchez sells for around 14.99 yank a pound, up here 30 onward. Thank f**k for Higginson. He gets all my powder and primer orders.
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Where did you get the idea that IMR Powder is made in Canada and shipped to the USA?
For your information, here is the start of the Du Pont, makers of IMR Powders, history, as easily found by Google.

The history of IMR Legendary powders actually begins in 1802 when a young E.I. DuPont, who was forced to leave his native Paris during the French Revolution, built a black powder plant in Delaware. The plant was located on the former 95-acre Broom Farm. The farm was actually purchased under the name William Hamon, a friend, because at the time E.I. DuPont was not allowed to buy land until he became a U.S. citizen.


By the mid-1840’s the Gold Rush and industrial expansion ushered in the need for a better explosive than black powder. The twin 1845 discoveries of nitrated cotton and nitroglycerin began the transformation to a new explosives future. IMR powders started in 1892, ushering in the transition from black powder to smokeless powder. The earliest powders were designated “MR” meaning “Military Rifle”. These powders were numbered and ranged from MR#10 through MR#50-1/2. In the 1920’s an improved version of the powders were introduced. These “Improved Military Rifle” powders carried the “IMR” title in front of a four digit number.
 
Why nickel and dime over the price of guns, when we already pay more than the US in almost every commodity on our shelves.
If a gun is beyond my budget, I either save up, or suck it up and hope somebody at my club has one and will let me shoot a round or two. Its no different than cars or expensive electronics that we cant afford.
Plus, I'll gladly pay a bit more to a local retailer, because that way someone else deals with all the kinks in the line- BATF, US Customs, Canada Customs, CFC and RCMP. I'm too impatient to be put on hold to complete a transfer, so I'll gladly let someone else deal with the hassles of import and customs!
 
johnl said:
Quote"Where did you get the idea that IMR Powder is made in Canada and shipped to the USA? For your information, here is the start of the Du Pont, makers of IMR Powders, history, as easily found by Google." Unquote

Right here buddy boy, right here http://www.companylisting.ca/Expro_Technologies_Inc/default.aspx

Google doesn't tell the whole story;)
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So you found a Canadian company that makes explosives and gun powder.
What has that got to do with DuPont, one of the oldest companies in the USA, and THE pioneer rifle powder manufacturer?
 
I only wish that we were making 25 to 30% markup on new guns during the 25 years I sold them.!0-15% would be more like it for small dealers.Companies that buy direct,(like WSS) will realise a higher markup because of volume discounts,the more Remingtons you buy from the factory the cheaper they are.A small dealer buys through a wholesaler that takes his cut from the markup.We ALWAYS made more money through the sales of good used firearms.There is a far better markup on accessories and hunting clothing than on the guns themselves.At least that's the way it worked in BC,from 1975 thru 2000! Cheers,Mur
 
marcoman said:
The Gospel Truth. Amen.
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You want to hear the worst part of it? Where we all, as Canadians, get bent over the hardest?

Well, here it is.

"Don't sell to Canadian's"
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/267415

"Bombardier blocks sales to Canadians in U.S."
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/10/17/bombardier-sales.html

"Bombardier to be probed for ban on sales to Canadians"
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=54b71c00-eb0e-4ca3-8ca1-056e81ea66aa
_______________________________________________________________

In short, a Canadian manufacturer, operated in Canada, sells it's products to US dealers so cheaply, that CANADIAN dealers, could buy the same product from a US dealer, cheaper than what the manufacturer would sell it to them for.

Bombardier --> US Dealer --> Canadian Dealer is CHEAPER than:
Bombardier --> Canadian Dealer.

You want the biggest kick in the pants?

"Bombardier’s gain is the taxpayer’s loss"
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/...bombardier-s-gain-is-the-taxpayer-s-loss.aspx

"U.S. scrutinizing Canadian Bombardier subsidies"
http://www.thestar.com/article/476462

We, as Canadians, are not only forced to buy at inflated prices here in Canada, we also subsidize the ####ing company.

If I could only run this country for a year.
 
H4831 said:
Where did you get the idea that IMR Powder is made in Canada and shipped to the USA?
For your information, here is the start of the Du Pont, makers of IMR Powders, history, as easily found by Google.

The history of IMR Legendary powders actually begins in 1802 when a young E.I. DuPont, who was forced to leave his native Paris during the French Revolution, built a black powder plant in Delaware. The plant was located on the former 95-acre Broom Farm. The farm was actually purchased under the name William Hamon, a friend, because at the time E.I. DuPont was not allowed to buy land until he became a U.S. citizen.


By the mid-1840’s the Gold Rush and industrial expansion ushered in the need for a better explosive than black powder. The twin 1845 discoveries of nitrated cotton and nitroglycerin began the transformation to a new explosives future. IMR powders started in 1892, ushering in the transition from black powder to smokeless powder. The earliest powders were designated “MR” meaning “Military Rifle”. These powders were numbered and ranged from MR#10 through MR#50-1/2. In the 1920’s an improved version of the powders were introduced. These “Improved Military Rifle” powders carried the “IMR” title in front of a four digit number.
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Sorry Bruce, but johnl is right in this case. If you check your IMR powder tins, even the new ones marketed by Hodgdon, you will see that it is all made in Canada now. Dupont turned their smokeless propellent "wing" over to Canadian manufacture about 30 years ago, and this is now the source of pretty well all IMR powders. When Thomas Higginson was marketing "Expro" powders, these were straight out of the Canadian manufacturer and were not numbered in the IMR group [e.g. "Expro" 7900 was close to IMR 4831, but not exactly the same] Regards, Eagleye.
 
Mur said:
I only wish that we were making 25 to 30% markup on new guns during the 25 years I sold them.!0-15% would be more like it for small dealers.Companies that buy direct,(like WSS) will realise a higher markup because of volume discounts,the more Remingtons you buy from the factory the cheaper they are.A small dealer buys through a wholesaler that takes his cut from the markup.We ALWAYS made more money through the sales of good used firearms.There is a far better markup on accessories and hunting clothing than on the guns themselves.At least that's the way it worked in BC,from 1975 thru 2000! Cheers,Mur
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I talked to a few dealers and this is my impression too. Many get stiff even when having to give a $30 discount. The money is in accessories.


Even surplus isn't much money when you are not the one importing the stuff.

I would be surprised if the markup is 20 to 25%, maybe on some items but if a dealer wants to move product, they have to be competitive.

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ENIGMATIC1 said:
You want to hear the worst part of it? Where we all, as Canadians, get bent over the hardest?

Well, here it is.

"Don't sell to Canadian's"
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/267415

"Bombardier blocks sales to Canadians in U.S."
http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/10/17/bombardier-sales.html

"Bombardier to be probed for ban on sales to Canadians"
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=54b71c00-eb0e-4ca3-8ca1-056e81ea66aa
_______________________________________________________________

In short, a Canadian manufacturer, operated in Canada, sells it's products to US dealers so cheaply, that CANADIAN dealers, could buy the same product from a US dealer, cheaper than what the manufacturer would sell it to them for.

Bombardier --> US Dealer --> Canadian Dealer is CHEAPER than:
Bombardier --> Canadian Dealer.

You want the biggest kick in the pants?

"Bombardier’s gain is the taxpayer’s loss"
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/...bombardier-s-gain-is-the-taxpayer-s-loss.aspx

"U.S. scrutinizing Canadian Bombardier subsidies"
http://www.thestar.com/article/476462

We, as Canadians, are not only forced to buy at inflated prices here in Canada, we also subsidize the f**king company.

If I could only run this country for a year.
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Funny, you must have been shopping for a Quad the same time I was. Yes, this was a point of contention for me as well. I ended up buying 2 Suzuki KingQuads because Suzuki Canada offered generous dealer incentives to create some parody with U.S. pricing back when our dollar was on Par.
Sad that Bombardier wouldn't do something similar to promote "buying Canadian". Sorry if this has taken the thread off on a tangent but it is still relative to the fact that we as consumers are getting hosed.
 
You aren't making much of a living if you aren't charging x2.2 wholesale on most retail items. Hopefully your making it up on accessories.
 
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