what method and condition do you carry?

method and condition of carry?

  • Slung

    Votes: 104 24.2%

  • Unslung

    Votes: 126 29.4%

  • Chamber loaded, cocked, safety on

    Votes: 256 59.7%

  • Chamber loaded, cocked, safety off

    Votes: 29 6.8%

  • Chamber loaded, uncocked

    Votes: 54 12.6%

  • Chamber empty, cocked, safety on

    Votes: 11 2.6%

  • Chamber empty, cocked, safety off

    Votes: 16 3.7%

  • Chamber empty, uncocked

    Votes: 61 14.2%

  • Other, please explain...

    Votes: 12 2.8%
  • Total voters
    429
God help the guy leading the way, if the guy following him hot/ready to fire, loses muzzle control due to a slip, trip or fall........

I can savvy going in after a wounded bear, but no way can I savvy someone following me(or me following them), into the thick with a hot chamber ready to fire.
 
Camp Cook said:
Haven't gone in after too many grizzlies have you... :p

Best safety in the world doesn't make a firearms any safer than keeping our finger off the trigger but then again I actually go in after grizzlies and know how to use a firearm safely... :D
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Your post above your last one, would indicate otherwise....

And yes, I have gone in after grizzlies...And blacks, and I have stopped dedicated charges...

Even on my carry gun (629, with 300gr HardCast) I don't carry it with the hammer over a loaded chamber....

The biggest thing that comes to mind here, is that no matter how much you wish it to, you won't be able to call back a bullet that just zipped through yourself or a buddy....

Something as simple as a slip because you are watching ahead for a bear, instead of where you put your feet and an errant twig that catches a trigger could cause a lifetime of regret....

There is no way on earth that it is possible for you to control your muzzle 100% of the time if you slip or catch your foot in thick brush, and there is no way in hell that you can explain to someones widow that you were "safe" because you kept track of your muzzle and your finger wasn't on the trigger when you fell down.
 
again.... I don't use the safety on any of my rifles. Full mag empty chamber is the normal state, when I see something that I want to shoot I'll chamber a round, I will also stalk an animal with a round chambered and safety off rifle in the ready position (butt in shoulder but finger still off the trigger)

If the animal gets away without me getting the shot off, oh well, I'll get the next one, rifle gets cleared, mag reloaded, empty chamber, and the hunt goes on.

I don't see a reason to carry loaded, but I won't try to tell you how to hunt, I'll do it my way you do it your way as long as its safe. I carried cocked and locked enough for work ;) hunting is just not that serious.
 
Even on my carry gun (629, with 300gr HardCast) I don't carry it with the hammer over a loaded chamber....
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I also carry but I do not use a little 44mag I carry a 4.25" Ruger SRH in 454 Casull loaded with Beartooth 405gr WLNGC's @ 1330fps I also carry with 6 in the gun yes that right 6 and can fire the revolver just a quickly and accurately double action as I can single action this firearm is extremely safe until I squeeze the trigger and I can't squeeze it until I insert my finger into the trigger guard.

I also do not go in after a bear of any kind with someone either in front of or behind me when the firearms are ready to fire we go in beside each other usually about 5 yards apart if for some reason we go single file the rear person safeties up until it is clear to move beside each other again.

and I also have gone in after many bears and stopped charges. :D
 
KodiakHntr said:
And yes, I have gone in after grizzlies...And blacks, and I have stopped dedicated charges...

Even on my carry gun (629, with 300gr HardCast) I don't carry it with the hammer over a loaded chamber....
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Do you guide for grizz for a living? Do your clients know that you are only running 5 out of 6 when backing them up? :eek:

You do realize that you can smack that hammer (in the down position) on your 629 with a freakin sledge hammer while it's held in a vice without it going off? It has a transfer bar system that requires you to pull the trigger fully while the hammer falls to allow it to fire - so no accidents there.

Or maybe you are afraid that the brush will pull you trigger so fully that it will AD while in your holster? So which chamber is empty? The one the hammer is closed on but cannot fire? Or the next one, so you have to pull the trigger on one empty cylinder before you can fire?

I think I am glad you won't be backing me up looking for a wounded deer, never mind a bear.

Camp Cook, I'll call ya!
 
Nope, not a guide. Simply a forester who spends a few hundred days a year in the bush...

As to the the handgun reference, it was simple for a point of reference, as to MY personal preference. If I were to guide for bears, a back-up gun wouldn't be a handgun, I can assure you that....And the other thing I can assure you of, were I to be going in after a bear wounded by a client, it sure as hell wouldn't be with a rifle running hot with the safety off....

It absolutely blows the mind of any rational person that anyone could try to make the arguement that a hot loaded firearm is safe to carry in thick brush because they don't have their finger on the trigger.

Apparently Pudel, your reading comprehension needs work...
 
On a bolt action, chambered but the bolt forward but not fully closed. Seems the safest way since it can't fire but can be made ready quickly.....
 
Then don't go into the bush with me and I guarantee I won't go in with you I don't go into the bush with people that are inexperienced in the use of firearms... :p

I do agree with you on a handgun not being my first line of defense, my rifle for the last several years that I used for bear defense or going after grizzlies was/is a Marlin 1895GS in 45-70 loaded with either 350gr Swift A-Frames @ 1980fps, 525gr Beartooth WLNGC Piledrivers @ 1600fps and 550gr Jae-Bok Young WLNGC Crater's @ 1580fps and I have never carried this rifle with the safety engaged the safety I use was the hammer @ 1/2 ####.

I am now parking the Marlin and will be packing my modified 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 375 Rem Ultra Mag loaded with 300gr Swift A-Frames @ 2640fps until I can get my hands on 350gr North Fork bullets should be able to push them out @ 2400 + fps without a problem.

I also work in the bush as a self employed free miner and firearms are not only a tool to me they are my passion... :D
 
KodiakHntr said:
That help you out?

And as I said before, merely to illustrate my preference in regard to that handgun.
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Ahhh. You failed to notice - OR - I failed to make clear my sarcasm. Sorry about that.

I understand that you "prefer" to carry your 629 in that state, but my point (at which I seem to have failed with my attempt at sarcasm) was it makes absolutely no sense to do so; the 629 can not be made to AD in that condition. I repeat, CAN NOT.

The fact that you fail to understand the design and safety features of a firearm that you are relying on to save your life speaks volumes. That I can comprehend.

:wave:
 
No, I'm fully aware of the design and safety features of the firearm. And believe me, I'm fully aware of what it would take to make it go off, or not go off.

And like I said, merely my preference. Whether it makes sense to you or not, its my preference, and mine alone. Whether I choose to carry it with 5, or 6, or 2 rounds in the chambers is really of no consequence to you now is it? Just because I choose to not fill it up, doesn't mean I don't understand how it works.....But make all the assumptions that you like, as they really seem to be making an ass out of you....

However, if you'd like to explain to me how carrying a rifle with a shell in the chamber, and the safety off in thick brush is safe, then by all means do so...I await your vast knowledge on safe carry practises....
 
Camp Cook said:
Then don't go into the bush with me and I guarantee I won't go in with you I don't go into the bush with people that are inexperienced in the use of firearms... :p
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Nor will I...Only difference is that I'll be the one thats right....

I'd not even get in a pickup with anyone who thinks that carrying a rifle with a round in the chamber and the safety off in thick brush is "safe" simply because they don't have a finger on the trigger.

I can only hope that when you do have an Negligent Discharge (no, not accidental, negligent) no one is hurt or killed....
 
KodiakHntr said:
No, I'm fully aware of the design and safety features of the firearm. And believe me, I'm fully aware of what it would take to make it go off, or not go off.

And like I said, merely my preference. Whether it makes sense to you or not, its my preference, and mine alone. Whether I choose to carry it with 5, or 6, or 2 rounds in the chambers is really of no consequence to you now is it? Just because I choose to not fill it up, doesn't mean I don't understand how it works.....But make all the assumptions that you like, as they really seem to be making an ass out of you....

However, if you'd like to explain to me how carrying a rifle with a shell in the chamber, and the safety off in thick brush is safe, then by all means do so...I await your vast knowledge on safe carry practises....
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Well Mr. Reading Comprehension, if you care to re-read my posts, nowhere did I mention carrying with the safety off, and I already explained in an earlier post how I manage to carry safely in thick brush (again, my opinion). Have you assumed that because I would rather have Camp Cook backing me up that I am 100% in agreement with his loaded-safety-off while following up an animal into the bush? Try to keep your comments to the appropriate member.

As for me interjecting my opinion of your preference, you started out in this thread by stating:

"Deer getting away, or a slip and a bullet through your brain...Your call, if only obviously....

I know which one is more important to me."

As you said, "(it) is really of no consequence to you now is it?" So why not just contribute to the discussion with how and why you do things? Why the criticism of others? Why insinuate that those who choose differently then you are irresponsible and too dangerous to be out hunting?

Don't get pissy because I do not praise how safe you are with your empty chamber. That is your opinion, mine is different.

Keep calm, take a breath, smoke something, or whatever you need to do to mellow out.
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Edited to note: The one thing that I can agree with you about, is Negligent Discharge instead of Accidental Discharge.
 
Never once said it was a safety issue did I? I simply don't carry my handgun with the hammer over a loaded chamber...There's a reason behind it, but not one I'm going to get into here....

And for the record, I'm not pissy, nor upset, nor do I need your "praise" for anything I do or don't do...Its the internet.

YOU were the one who jumped on my post, with your "sarcasm" making assumptions....So I suggest you take your own advice, and mellow out....You criticize me for carrying a handgun with 5 loaded chambers, but would follow camp into thick brush with a loaded and unlocked rifle......Telling, to say the least....

I've stepped up and spoken my mind on other threads too, where people post unsafe hazards that might be undertaken by someone who read it on the internet....But please, do continue to backpedal and make assumptions....

As you were.
 
KodiakHntr said:
Never once said it was a safety issue did I? I simply don't carry my handgun with the hammer over a loaded chamber...There's a reason behind it, but not one I'm going to get into here....

And for the record, I'm not pissy, nor upset, nor do I need your "praise" for anything I do or don't do...Its the internet.

YOU were the one who jumped on my post, with your "sarcasm" making assumptions....So I suggest you take your own advice, and mellow out....You criticize me for carrying a handgun with 5 loaded chambers, but would follow camp into thick brush with a loaded and unlocked rifle......Telling, to say the least....

I've stepped up and spoken my mind on other threads too, where people post unsafe hazards that might be undertaken by someone who read it on the internet....But please, do continue to backpedal and make assumptions....

As you were.
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Okee Dokee. BTW, Any time you want to share that reason for the empty chamber, we are all ears. Oh, and I said Camp Cook could follow me.

Go with peace.
 
KodiakHntr said:
Nor will I...Only difference is that I'll be the one thats right....

I'd not even get in a pickup with anyone who thinks that carrying a rifle with a round in the chamber and the safety off in thick brush is "safe" simply because they don't have a finger on the trigger.

I can only hope that when you do have an Negligent Discharge (no, not accidental, negligent) no one is hurt or killed....
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Ahhh those that rely on mechanical systems rather than actual skills...

Do I smell a challenge bet you a pint or $100.00 if you prefer that I'm far more proficient with any firearm than you...

Tell you what post a video of yourself shooting as fast and as accurately as you can pretend it is a defense situation and after you do I'll also post one.

If you choose to use a rifle start with the rifle slung on your shoulder or handgun in your carry holster, put your target @ 25 yards for rifle or 15 yards if you go for a handgun you choose which firearm or we can even use a shotgun if you prefer you see I have them all and I am extremely proficient in the use of all of them... :D

Then others on this site can decide for us on who is actually proficient and safe in the use of firearms... :p
 
Camp Cook said:
Ahhh those that rely on mechanical systems rather than actual skills...
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Please, do tell how you can mantain 100% muzzle control walking through thick brush and watch your footing so you don't slip or trip, but cannot slip your finger into the guard and simultaneously flick off a safety....

Please explain how you cannot take the time to remove a safety, but can GUARRANTEE that you will not slip or that a stick won't catch your trigger....

Let me break it down for you. You can't. Plain and simple. Its an unsafe practise, and you can't defend it.

By your own statement (in quotes above for you) you yourself admit to relying on a mechanical system. If a safety can let you down, just as easily a sear could let go on a hot rifle.
Your arguement only works if you are carrying cold.....

If I'm missing something here, please point it out.
 
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