What now for PCC?

Not really a PCC, but you could try your luck with a rimfire carbine TM-22's and 10-22's are still fairly modable into nice, pcc type platforms.
 
I am not playing this game now. I have gone through it before. "they Ban all the guns I have, then I buy all new ones" then they BAN those and I buy some more..........Do you see a LOOSING pattern here ?
I'm sitting this one out for at least 2 years.
I have enough paper weights in the safe.
I certainly dont have the money to get involved in this nonscience with the way the economy is,...Plus I want money to buy food for the table.
 
Then there is the short term approach
I don't have a semi to use in steel challenge coming up so will be buying one pdq and use ths hits out of it while I can
life is too short to wait around
 
Is there any interest in a pump action PCC similar to a Troy PAR, but in pistol calibres? Even if the CPC roll back everything the Libs have done since 2015 we will still be saddled with 18.6" barrels and limited mag capacity in the semi-autos. A manual action PCC has no mag limit and it can have an appropriately short barrel while staying NR and legal in the bush and other non-range shooting locations.


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
Is there any interest in a pump action PCC similar to a Troy PAR, but in pistol calibres? Even if the CPC roll back everything the Libs have done since 2015 we will still be saddled with 18.6" barrels and limited mag capacity in the semi-autos. A manual action PCC has no mag limit and it can have an appropriately short barrel while staying NR and legal in the bush and other non-range shooting locations.


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That’s an interesting thought, or building out a straight pull using a MRA Renegade or SBI LPC receiver set and one of the CMMG Barrel and radial delay bolt kits in 9mm or 5.7 and using the CMMG mags that fit into a stanag mag well. The only question l have is if those CMMG bolts will fit into a standard sized carrier or if they’ll only fit into a radial delayed carrier.
 
mmattockx said:
Is there any interest in a pump action PCC similar to a Troy PAR, but in pistol calibres? Even if the CPC roll back everything the Libs have done since 2015 we will still be saddled with 18.6" barrels and limited mag capacity in the semi-autos. A manual action PCC has no mag limit and it can have an appropriately short barrel while staying NR and legal in the bush and other non-range shooting locations.


Mark
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Lever action is your ticket.

A manual action PCC has no mag limit, but you'd need a proprietary magazine if you wanted to go the box mag route, and that pretty much makes it a non-starter because you have to sell a lot of magazines to recoup R&D costs and there simply isn't enough demand for such a product.
 
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mmattockx said:
Is there any interest in a pump action PCC similar to a Troy PAR, but in pistol calibres? Even if the CPC roll back everything the Libs have done since 2015 we will still be saddled with 18.6" barrels and limited mag capacity in the semi-autos. A manual action PCC has no mag limit and it can have an appropriately short barrel while staying NR and legal in the bush and other non-range shooting locations.


Mark
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Finding a PCC that takes proprietary mags to get past 10 will be difficult but not impossible
 
True Shadows said:
They banned the GSG 16 and some other semi 22's. Hopefully they don't ban the Ruger and the rest of them...
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Yeah ik, #### sucks. Hence why i suggested a 10-22 as a PCC alternative since its still legal. I guess if you wanted a true PCC the chiappa M1-9 still exists, 9mm using Beretta mags if im not mistaken.
 
Suther said:
Lever action is your ticket.

A manual action PCC has no mag limit, but you'd need a proprietary magazine if you wanted to go the box mag route, and that pretty much makes it a non-starter because you have to sell a lot of magazines to recoup R&D costs and there simply isn't enough demand for such a product.
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Unlike what seems to be the majority, I don't like lever actions much at all and find pumps much faster and easier to run.

Yes, a proprietary mag. Development may or may not be horrendous, but that would remain to be seen.

FarmerDanz said:
Finding a PCC that takes proprietary mags to get past 10 will be difficult but not impossible
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I'm not looking for one, I'm thinking of building one from scratch. I'm just wanting to know how many people are interested in the concept. If everyone is like Suther and prefers lever action over pump then it isn't worth the effort.


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
Unlike what seems to be the majority, I don't like lever actions much at all and find pumps much faster and easier to run.

Yes, a proprietary mag. Development may or may not be horrendous, but that would remain to be seen.


I'm not looking for one, I'm thinking of building one from scratch. I'm just wanting to know how many people are interested in the concept. If everyone is like Suther and prefers lever action over pump then it isn't worth the effort.


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The only thing that makes a pump action PCC interesting to me is the bans on semi autos. Considering how election polls are looking right now, I can't imagine you'd be able to capitalize on that before the CPC gets in power next year and reverses the bans. Not to mention you need a business license to manufacture firearms these days, can't imagine getting one of those is quick process.
 
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I'm not looking for one, I'm thinking of building one from scratch. I'm just wanting to know how many people are interested in the concept. If everyone is like Suther and prefers lever action over pump then it isn't worth the effort.
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Count me in for a 9mm pump. I'd be interested regardless of ban. SCSA Taipan X is an example for dual control: straight pull + pump. I read that somebody attempted to 9mm a Troy Pump, not sure how far they got though. That may be a good platform to extend. Good luck!
 
Suther said:
The only thing that makes a pump action PCC interesting to me is the bans on semi autos. Considering how election polls are looking right now, I can't imagine you'd be able to capitalize on that before the CPC gets in power next year and reverses the bans. Not to mention you need a business license to manufacture firearms these days, can't imagine getting one of those is quick process.
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Yeah, it isn't a fast thing. I've been working on design for most of 2024 but it slows way down when you start prototyping. The long term thought is similar to the Troy PAR, a short barrelled NR rifle you can shoot anywhere (legally, that is) with full capacity mags. If you don't mind the long barrel and restricted mag capacity of the semi's then a pump is probably not interesting to you.

I have connections with existing manufacturing licenses, so I don't have to jump through those hoops. It takes several years or more these days to navigate that sh!t show from what I understand, so getting my own is pretty prohibitive at this point.

joemanco said:
Count me in for a 9mm pump. I'd be interested regardless of ban. SCSA Taipan X is an example for dual control: straight pull + pump. I read that somebody attempted to 9mm a Troy Pump, not sure how far they got though. That may be a good platform to extend. Good luck!
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The PAR is what made me think of this in the first place. If someone wanted to convert one it should be possible. You need a 9mm barrel with a standard extension so the bolt can lock up properly and the bolt face might need to be opened up a small amount. You could use Mean Arms 9mm conversion kits on standard 5.56 mags, but they would have to be pinned to 5.


Mark
 
Sekler said:
I liked that in the official OIC document, They actually called the Ruger PC carbine, Ruger "police" carbine....if I'm not mistaken, it stands more for personal carbine...shows how serious their research was.
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Actually there is an actual Ruger PC Police carbine. It's a restricted version with a 16.25" barrel. I used to own one, it was great. I sold it over ten years ago because it was restricted and registered. Thank goodness I did.........:(
 
VictoriousSecret said:
Unless clubs and ranges self-police, otherwise business as usual and don't ask don't tell.
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I would guess the majority of clubs will not allow any of the prohibs to be used. If they get busted for that the CFO will shut them down on the spot and they will never get approved again. The consequences are just too severe to take that chance.

You may think that is unlikely, but there are busybodies everywhere that love to rat out their fellow gun owners and the CFO office does occasionally do quiet checks of a range.


Mark
 
Sekler said:
I liked that in the official OIC document, They actually called the Ruger PC carbine, Ruger "police" carbine....if I'm not mistaken, it stands more for personal carbine...shows how serious their research was.
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In the period 1996-2007, Sturm,Ruger&Co. produced the Ruger PC9&PC4 (Police Carbine) in 9mm and .40 S&W. It was discontinued in 2007.
 
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