What to Buy?
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It's not illegal because it's hunting. It's illegal because:
Target practice and/or competitive shooting are the only legal reasons allowed for discharging restricted firearms. And those activities can only take place at an approved range as per Section 29. Dwellings, private land, and "the country" are not listed.
I don't see how that can possibly be any more clear.
Forget the 'yotes for a moment. If you setup a paper target in your back yard and start blasting with a restricted weapon you are breaking the law. Period.
That is splitting hairs. You may do whatever you want, whenever you want. You can even do things that are proven illegal if you want to. However if a police officer finds out and decides that you are breaking a law you will be charged for it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Yes, yes it does. I'm certainly not going to stop you, however don't say we didn't try to warn you when you get your guns taken away. We are simply trying to help you out here.
The fact that we are even discussing this leads me to believe you do not have a restricted PAL. You certainly couldn't have passed the test and believe that you can fire off a revolver from your back porch.
Anyways, do whatever you want. No one here is going to stop you.
Target practice and/or competitive shooting are the only legal reasons allowed for discharging restricted firearms. And those activities can only take place at an approved range as per Section 29. Dwellings, private land, and "the country" are not listed.
I don't see how that can possibly be any more clear.
Forget the 'yotes for a moment. If you setup a paper target in your back yard and start blasting with a restricted weapon you are breaking the law. Period.
That is splitting hairs. You may do whatever you want, whenever you want. You can even do things that are proven illegal if you want to. However if a police officer finds out and decides that you are breaking a law you will be charged for it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Yes, yes it does. I'm certainly not going to stop you, however don't say we didn't try to warn you when you get your guns taken away. We are simply trying to help you out here.
The fact that we are even discussing this leads me to believe you do not have a restricted PAL. You certainly couldn't have passed the test and believe that you can fire off a revolver from your back porch.
Anyways, do whatever you want. No one here is going to stop you.
Section 29 is about operating a shooting range. How is that relevant? Are we getting into local speed limits next?
I haven't been rude in this discussion and I'm not going to respond further to impolite comments.
I haven't been looking for anyone's permission. I assumed - wrongly I guess - that there were some open minds at work.
This started out as an honest question from me as to handgun calibers. I did get some good advice, I think, on a .357. After that, I rejected some categorical "instruction" in the law which I think we all know now was wrong. If that bothers you, too bad.
I do appreciate the informed advice I got.
I haven't been rude in this discussion and I'm not going to respond further to impolite comments.
I haven't been looking for anyone's permission. I assumed - wrongly I guess - that there were some open minds at work.
This started out as an honest question from me as to handgun calibers. I did get some good advice, I think, on a .357. After that, I rejected some categorical "instruction" in the law which I think we all know now was wrong. If that bothers you, too bad.
I do appreciate the informed advice I got.
I agree.
Agree again. I haven't looked through the CC.
Judging from the hasty and certain responses here, you're quite right on the first part. However, neither truth nor law is determined by majority vote so, if you're interested, I wouldn't make that assumption.
I can only say that I can't find it. And I looked. I can also tell you that the Firearms Center couldn't find it, either. So,......
Anyway, for my original purpose I'm stymied because a coyote is "wildlife" and I wanted to shoot some of the beggars with something quiet. Like a handgun.
Sure have been some huffy responses, though, from those who are offended by my suggestion that it is not illegal to fire a restricted weapon from your back deck and their notions about that are just their notions. Odd.
Rocky, actually .38Spl medium velocity rounds that I shoot for my cowboy action shooting come out of the lever gun a LOT more quietly than they come out of the revolver. With heavy bullets and loads that give about 800 fps they are about as loud as a .22.
There's a suggestion I'll follow up on. You mean one of those south american winchester knock-off's, right?
I did check into those a bit and found a couple of writers who noted they kicked hard - I guess due to the higher pressures of a handgun round - and I didn't think much of the finishing. Still, worth another look I guess.
I've been reminiscing about my Ruger wheelgun. Years ago (before it was stolen and the police wouldn't do a thing to get it back from where I knew it was - another story...), I used to sit and have coffee whilst potting gophers out the kitchen window. It was fun, didn't hurt anyone and a nice way to drink a pot of coffee.
Anyway, back then I roamed around with it every so often to friend's places shooting gophers mostly. Just for the heck of it. Went to talk to the local Sergeant (back when the GRC's were something else) and he told me he didn't give a rat$ ass, just don't be waiving it around so I get any complaints. Said he'd be more worried about me with a 12 ga. than a medium revolver. Sensible.
What the he__ happened?
I did check into those a bit and found a couple of writers who noted they kicked hard - I guess due to the higher pressures of a handgun round - and I didn't think much of the finishing. Still, worth another look I guess.
I've been reminiscing about my Ruger wheelgun. Years ago (before it was stolen and the police wouldn't do a thing to get it back from where I knew it was - another story...), I used to sit and have coffee whilst potting gophers out the kitchen window. It was fun, didn't hurt anyone and a nice way to drink a pot of coffee.
Anyway, back then I roamed around with it every so often to friend's places shooting gophers mostly. Just for the heck of it. Went to talk to the local Sergeant (back when the GRC's were something else) and he told me he didn't give a rat$ ass, just don't be waiving it around so I get any complaints. Said he'd be more worried about me with a 12 ga. than a medium revolver. Sensible.
What the he__ happened?
Yep, the Rossi knockoff of the Winchester 92. They are not bad at all right out of the box and with some basic stoning work on the innards to just take the crests off the machining marks they slicken up nicely. There's a page out there on how to do the work if you google "rossi puma trigger job" it'll come up in the first couple of hits. The wood is sort of blah but the metal finish on the outsides of mine was really nice other than the rear sight which looked like it was cobbled up by a Grade 9 metal shop student on drugs.
With full house Magnum loads it still kicks less than a .30-30 Winchester 94 so I don't know what those guys are talking about. And with .38Spl medium power loads and heavy bullets to keep things subsonic it's really soft and easy to get off a second or third shot in a hurry.
If you like lever guns and if you were to get the shorter and slightly lighter 16 inch barrel version and slicken it up a little using the info on the web I think you'd be a happy camper. And best of all you can get one new for about the price of a revolver.
Those were more sensible times. What the __ll happened? We got more sophisticated and paranoid apparently and at some point signed off our rights to a group that was out to make things better for us regardless of how much it hurt in the process.
With full house Magnum loads it still kicks less than a .30-30 Winchester 94 so I don't know what those guys are talking about. And with .38Spl medium power loads and heavy bullets to keep things subsonic it's really soft and easy to get off a second or third shot in a hurry.
If you like lever guns and if you were to get the shorter and slightly lighter 16 inch barrel version and slicken it up a little using the info on the web I think you'd be a happy camper. And best of all you can get one new for about the price of a revolver.
Those were more sensible times. What the __ll happened? We got more sophisticated and paranoid apparently and at some point signed off our rights to a group that was out to make things better for us regardless of how much it hurt in the process.
Heh legal battle going on here!.
Rocky7, I'd use a shotgun you already own. If you want a new gun...
Buy the SKS like some people recommended.
The most you will pay to get one is about $250 (A good handgun will cost $700 to $1000 or more). This gun fires the 7.62x39 round. Not only is it about half as expensive as .223 rem, its the same round used in the AK-47, a gun so unbelievably menacing that our gov't prohib'd it and anything remotely like it. At the North Hollywood shootout in LA a while back they were using weapons in this caliber, and the cops were claiming the rounds were going through walls and they couldn't find a place to hide. This will pop your coyotes good no question.
Rocky7, I'd use a shotgun you already own. If you want a new gun...
Buy the SKS like some people recommended.
The most you will pay to get one is about $250 (A good handgun will cost $700 to $1000 or more). This gun fires the 7.62x39 round. Not only is it about half as expensive as .223 rem, its the same round used in the AK-47, a gun so unbelievably menacing that our gov't prohib'd it and anything remotely like it. At the North Hollywood shootout in LA a while back they were using weapons in this caliber, and the cops were claiming the rounds were going through walls and they couldn't find a place to hide. This will pop your coyotes good no question.
BCRider: Thanks. I'm going to do more checking into your idea.
As for the last bit, I don't think "sophistication" is the reason, but paranoia sure is. I believe a sophisticated person can think and I haven't seen much thinking going on. Otherwise, we wouldn't be where we are and I wouldn't hear what I hear. You might be interested in this - http://www.youtube.com/KateysFirearmsFacts
There's worse examples, but this isn't the forum so I'll leave it at that. Nope, it's not sophistication, my friend. It's propaganda and, I think, it's a lot of cops who want to protect their "colors". But whatever it is, it is not "public safety".
Anyway, it's been interestin'. If I ever do buy another handgun at least I know I don't have to fire it at the range. Others think different and that's fine. Sometimes when you open the gate a critter just won't believe it can leave.
Zephram - I hear the logic, but an SKS just isn't my cup of tea. If I ever get attacked by a wall, I can stop it with one of my magnums
As for the last bit, I don't think "sophistication" is the reason, but paranoia sure is. I believe a sophisticated person can think and I haven't seen much thinking going on. Otherwise, we wouldn't be where we are and I wouldn't hear what I hear. You might be interested in this - http://www.youtube.com/KateysFirearmsFacts
There's worse examples, but this isn't the forum so I'll leave it at that. Nope, it's not sophistication, my friend. It's propaganda and, I think, it's a lot of cops who want to protect their "colors". But whatever it is, it is not "public safety".
Anyway, it's been interestin'. If I ever do buy another handgun at least I know I don't have to fire it at the range. Others think different and that's fine. Sometimes when you open the gate a critter just won't believe it can leave.
Zephram - I hear the logic, but an SKS just isn't my cup of tea. If I ever get attacked by a wall, I can stop it with one of my magnums
