What to do if you're scoped?
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canuckgunny said:I vote for 'e'... find out who he is, (shouldn't be too hard) and call the cops. A Criminal offence will lose him his right to a rifle (and send a message to other morons), get him outta your woods for good without any immediate or dangerous confrontation, and to make some of you happy: get him ###ed upreal good in prison.... without getting your size twelves dirty
Great idea. I'm sure anti's everywhere have just figured out a new way to get hunter's guns taken away. After all, they wouldn't lie. And it seems to happen all the time by the looks of this thread.......
joe-nwt said:
Well, I really don't think I've done Hunters everywhere a misjustice by "giving antigunners a battle plan". Scopin out people IS a criminal offence. And it should be too. You shouldn't do stupid stuff with your firearms... that's a blanket statement... not fodder for aniti's.
.... mellow out.
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
The problem with reporting this to the cops is that you have to prove that he
had somee kind of criminal intent in mind.
There is no law against using a scope to check out a target, and until you are identified as another hunter, he is not breaking any law!
Education is the best thing to counteract this type of hehaviour before these people get into the bush, but I wouldn't bother trying to track the idjit down, as I have better things to do with the limited time I have to hunt.
Idjits are everywhere, and a good defense is better than a strong offense IMHO.
Cat
had somee kind of criminal intent in mind.
There is no law against using a scope to check out a target, and until you are identified as another hunter, he is not breaking any law!
Education is the best thing to counteract this type of hehaviour before these people get into the bush, but I wouldn't bother trying to track the idjit down, as I have better things to do with the limited time I have to hunt.
Idjits are everywhere, and a good defense is better than a strong offense IMHO.
Cat
I quit hunting for more than ten years after an incident near Whitecourt, AB in the 70s. We were walking along a cut line when this idiot came staggering out about 400 yd away, on a higher part of the line. but quite visible. He had a rifle in one hand and put it up to look at us.
We shouted and waved our red hats. He lowered the rifle and pulled out a flask and took a swig (fruit juice?). The rifle was some sort of semi, because he then pointed it upward at about a 45 degree angle and rattled off 3 or 4 shots in our general direction. I didn't get an exact count because I was too busy hitting the dirt and rolling behind a log. We could even hear him laughing.
We went back to where the van was parked at an abandoned well site about 200 yd away and I got out and loaded my '49 FN. My buddy asked what I was going to do and I replied, "10 rounds application, rapid."
After dragging him about 10 feet, I listened to reason and we drove into town and visited the RCMP detachnment. The cops couldn't be bothered to take a complaint because we did not "have enough information". He told us that we should have gone over and got a plate number, or something.
I still regret my actions; even if I had been caught, I would have been out a long time ago!
We shouted and waved our red hats. He lowered the rifle and pulled out a flask and took a swig (fruit juice?). The rifle was some sort of semi, because he then pointed it upward at about a 45 degree angle and rattled off 3 or 4 shots in our general direction. I didn't get an exact count because I was too busy hitting the dirt and rolling behind a log. We could even hear him laughing.
We went back to where the van was parked at an abandoned well site about 200 yd away and I got out and loaded my '49 FN. My buddy asked what I was going to do and I replied, "10 rounds application, rapid."
After dragging him about 10 feet, I listened to reason and we drove into town and visited the RCMP detachnment. The cops couldn't be bothered to take a complaint because we did not "have enough information". He told us that we should have gone over and got a plate number, or something.
I still regret my actions; even if I had been caught, I would have been out a long time ago!
Lupus, I think it would be funny to see some 6'8'' guy following me around all day singing all the songs he's ever heard. I could just imagine you singing Im a Barbie Girl, or Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, or other teen pop songs for the day. That would be more funny than anything else.
catnthehatt said:There is no law against using a scope to check out a target, and until you are identified as another hunter, he is not breaking any law!
Cat
I thought i read it was law here in alberta? is it diffrent elsewhere? i wouldnt know my buds and i always use binocs to varify a target
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catnthehatt said:There is no law against using a scope to check out a target, and until you are identified as another hunter, he is not breaking any law!
Cat
it's illegal to point a gun at someone. so unless you remove the scope from the rifle to use it, then yes it's illegal.
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Here's tjhe PROBLEM with that.scott said:
Unless you KNOW you are pointing the rifle at a person, you are not in violation of the law.
Someone in camo , hunched over could , to someone else, look like an animal.
I have had peoople stop their quads and take a second look at me until they identified me as a person.
This was through fairly thhick bush, and I had a back quiver full of brightly coloured fletching, and a vest on.
I was on the river last year with a friend and we saw a guy walking on the far side of the bank(750 yards) .
Both of us instantly knew what we were looking at without the binocs, and could even tell that he was carrying something.
it turned out to be a fishing rod case!
For the life of me do not know how people can mistake humans for animals, but they do.
Cat
canuckgunny said:
Hey guy, I'm mellow. Just trying to make a point.
I don't like you.
Maybe it's cuz you are in my favorite hunting spot, maybe it's cuz I don't like you killing all those poor, defenseless forest creatures. I'm gonna phone the cops and tell them you pointed a gun at me. And that you put some kind of white powder in your nose. And you kicked my dog. See how easy that would be? That's my point.
Well after all these replies I still don't really know what I'd do if I got scoped. There are pros and cons to each option. As far as reporting him to the police I don't have much hope that that would be effective. It would simply be one man's word against anothers assumuing of course you could even begin to find out who the guy is. (Many times they are not anywhere near their vehicles in order to get a plate number and they sure arn't going to volunteer their name.) besides the cops will not move on anything unless there is absolute proof that will hold up in court (ie - witnessed by several people that are not friends or relatives) that the offense occured otherwise it's just heresay.(been down THAT road before). Of all the 4 options firing a round well over the head of the stupid person after hitting the dirt might well be the most effective means with the least risk to oneself (It gets the message across quickly and directly and even if stupid people don't value your life they sure value theirs and will refrain from risking it in such a manner again). On the other hand I DO like the idea of firing a flare as one poster suggested -assuming of course the idiot understands why you fired it in the first place. Not really sure what's the best response or if there is one - I guess I'll decide when and if it happens.
I'd get his attention and explain to him the dangers and the legalities of doing so. Be friendly about it but let him/her know that it's not a good idea to do so. Doing this prevents hostilities from all parties involved and won't heighten the situation.
gitrdun said:
Once again I win the award for being 'the kid with the most controversial jokes.'
Sorry about that. Since joking around isn't appreciated I'll get serious.
I wouldn't think about diving for cover, that's for the movies. I also was told the human eye is more sensitive to motion, so chances are that quick dives for cover or fast movements could call that other guy's attention - and maybe draw his fire.
Still not sure what to do though, aside from hope he doesn't start shooting.
- Dave.
catnthehatt said:The problem with reporting this to the cops is that you have to prove that he
had somee kind of criminal intent in mind.
There is no law against using a scope to check out a target, and until you are identified as another hunter, he is not breaking any law!
Education is the best thing to counteract this type of hehaviour before these people get into the bush, but I wouldn't bother trying to track the idjit down, as I have better things to do with the limited time I have to hunt.
Idjits are everywhere, and a good defense is better than a strong offense IMHO.
Cat
Wow man I cannot believe you are serious with this post Cat!!!
Tell me you are having a brain cramp cause this is too much for me.
Binoculars are for spotting... a rifle scope is for killing.... period.
And yeah it is completely and totally illegal to point a firearm at a person under any circumstance in Canada!
Catnhat-- Good point at least I get it.
Get over it. A ####ty feeling for sure but you guys are alive. Ya could have got hit by drunk driver on highway. Lotsa ways to get killed pretty damn impossible to avoid them all or any really. Bout a year ago this month driving home from Christmas shopping one of them flatland Albertans that knows how to drive in the snow SUV and bald tires ,the standard fair, took out the wife and I end for end. A trip to the ER in Clamshells. Not our time someday it will be, till then, Carpe Diem.
Get over it. A ####ty feeling for sure but you guys are alive. Ya could have got hit by drunk driver on highway. Lotsa ways to get killed pretty damn impossible to avoid them all or any really. Bout a year ago this month driving home from Christmas shopping one of them flatland Albertans that knows how to drive in the snow
SUV and bald tires ,the standard fair, took out the wife and I end for end. A trip to the ER in Clamshells. Not our time someday it will be, till then, Carpe Diem.
