What to tell a young guy bent on believing he will be shooting 1500yards right away?

[pope_face]

I dunno hitting a hand sized group at 200 yards with a .22 ruger 10/22 is pretty damn frigging hard. Just a little bit of humidity or wind and that bullet needs some very precise compensation/calculations. If those young ones can master that, they can move on to the heavier stuff.

People say they can hit blah blah whatever at 500 with iron sights using an sks, yah right... like stop the bull####

I don't believe #### what people say they can hit till I see them hitting it at the range.
I personally saw some old russian guy hitting the paper at 100 yards with his 9mm cz shadow pistol, now that's frigging awesome, at the Burke mountain range 3 weeks ago. I told him he should tell the range officials and that I'll witness, but he was an old timer and didn't think it was a big deal. Now that's some frigging talent and class!

100 yards with a 9mm pistol guys! Fack I'm still amazed! I can't even do that with 50% of my shots at 25 yards!

I oughta start working my way up to that... I'm curious how well I could do at extended ranges.

 

[pavmentsurfer]

a guy could start them out on a savage in 223 , then as their skills improved rebarel with a nice barrel , maybe even in s different caliber

This was my exact suggestion when they first started talking about the idea. $750 or so for the rifle, $500 or so for a decent scope and $75 for a useable Bipod and they would be pretty much all set. Spend the rest of their milk money on ammo and targets. I figured the Savage 10 would be a good choice since its digital camo paintjob looks different than grandpas hunting rifle.

The idea was not well recieved because it didnt look like a Savage BA or similar.

All the suggestions here are good (other than the ones that tell me to ridicule or abandon them). Im not going to give up on them. They both love shooting already, but as has been mentioned, they spend WAY too much time with COD and have very unrealistic ideas about how this stuff goes down in real life.

 

[dizzy]

Nothing will frustrate a kid more than an inaccurate rifle, seen it happen a zillion times.

 

[big_boss]

Tell him I have some magic beans to sell him.

 

[swissinn]

This camp wasnt in Canada i can assure u. We dont' have $35,000 rifles even with optics included. We certainly dont' handload and we certainly don't let kids shoot our $8 ammo when we dont even have enough for ourselves. I have no idea which rifle he could have been talking about.

 

[minniehill2]

This was my exact suggestion when they first started talking about the idea. $750 or so for the rifle, $500 or so for a decent scope and $75 for a useable Bipod and they would be pretty much all set. Spend the rest of their milk money on ammo and targets. I figured the Savage 10 would be a good choice since its digital camo paintjob looks different than grandpas hunting rifle.

The idea was not well recieved because it didnt look like a Savage BA or similar.

All the suggestions here are good (other than the ones that tell me to ridicule or abandon them). Im not going to give up on them. They both love shooting already, but as has been mentioned, they spend WAY too much time with COD and have very unrealistic ideas about how this stuff goes down in real life.

That is exactly what this is.... 1100 yards or one kilometer. Less than 50 shells into load development.

 

[sewktbk]

Ive got this cousin and his friend who are starting to get interested in long range shooting. They are both 15 and both work and are both saving their money to buy rifles. However, they are also super gullible and believe that because they saw someone on youtube shoot a mile, they can do it too. The one kid told me he went to a military camp for a few weeks last summer and was shooting MOA at 1700 yards while he was there. That one just made me laugh. I did try to explain why that was unlikely (practice, equipment, load development etc) but he says he did it and wont budge. Says he was shooting a $35 000 hand built military sniper rifle with handloads from the armoury. God... whats up with kids these days?

They also think they should be starting out with these super high end rifles and stocks and havent really even considered glass. Ive been TRYING to talk them through things a bit, suggesting maybe starting with savage or remington 700 and a decent piece of glass, learning to shoot and upgrading later on. Its going in one ear and out the other. I keep getting texts with pictures of military rifles and other cool, high end stuff and im getting tired of explaining over and over why A: they are so expensive and B: Why they are not a good place to start.

Anyone got any advice or dealt with some over zealous young shooters like this? I feel like im talking to myself these days.

Its not about what you can tell them to set their mind straight. Its about how much money you can make from betting on their own nonsense

 

[frykasj]

There used to be a young man just like this on the board. He talked all sorts of crazy #### that told me he knew absolutely sweet #### all about what he was talking about. I invited him out to shoot with us in the BCRA, he actually came out. We then took him to the range many, many times and worked with him and turned him into a pretty good new rifleman. This is what you should be doing, they are the future of what we do. By the way, his user name is Rohann and in the end he turned into a great young man.

That wasn't Camerl2009 was it?

 

[Parker-Hale Mike]

That wasn't Camerl2009 was it?

Nope, it is Rohann.

There used to be a young man just like this on the board. He talked all sorts of crazy #### that told me he knew absolutely sweet #### all about what he was talking about. I invited him out to shoot with us in the BCRA, he actually came out. We then took him to the range many, many times and worked with him and turned him into a pretty good new rifleman. This is what you should be doing, they are the future of what we do. By the way, his user name is Rohann and in the end he turned into a great young man.

 

[Skullboy]

There used to be a young man just like this on the board. He talked all sorts of crazy #### that told me he knew absolutely sweet #### all about what he was talking about. I invited him out to shoot with us in the BCRA, he actually came out. We then took him to the range many, many times and worked with him and turned him into a pretty good new rifleman. This is what you should be doing, they are the future of what we do. By the way, his user name is Rohann and in the end he turned into a great young man.

Lol...............I remember him.........he did learn to turn down the B.S. and listen to the more experienced shooters..........and as PHM mentioned, turned out pretty good.....

 

[Iceblood]

I personally saw some old russian guy hitting the paper at 100 yards with his 9mm cz shadow pistol, now that's frigging awesome, at the Burke mountain range 3 weeks ago. I told him he should tell the range officials and that I'll witness, but he was an old timer and didn't think it was a big deal. Now that's some frigging talent and class!

100 yards with a 9mm pistol guys! Fack I'm still amazed! I can't even do that with 50% of my shots at 25 yards!

Well the cz75 would definitely be a good choice for 100m shoots, those things are surprisingly accurate and point very nicely.

 

[dogzilla]

Sign them up for an intro course with the ORA. I was there a few years ago and all the Macho guys brought their girlfriends. To listen to them they were all going to be instant snipers. You saw some sour faces when the girls took a turn and outshot them

 

[Parker-Hale Mike]

Lol...............I remember him.........he did learn to turn down the B.S. and listen to the more experienced shooters..........and as PHM mentioned, turned out pretty good.....

I don't get out much anymore and I miss working with the newer shooters and shooting matches.

 

[Longshot]

Nope, it is Rohann.

Where and what is that young lad doing these days anyways? Still shooting?

 

[Skullboy]

I don't get out much anymore and I miss working with the newer shooters and shooting matches.

Join the club.......haven't really been out in over 2 years........just getting back into sending lead downrange............Car accidents really put a damper on the fun stuff........

 

[RobertMcC]

You can shoot 185y with a 40cal pistol, I couldn't believe it till I tried it with a Glock 35. Hitting a 8" gong, what didn't hit, wasn't far off. Anything is possiable, if you got the right mind set.

 

[Shibby!]

To that I somewhat agree.

1500 Y isn't that hard. Being precise and repeatable is the tough part. Reading wind and atmospheric conditions is the challenge.

I'm by no means special and the farthest hit I've had was 1900y using my buddies 300 wm.

 

[sunray]

"...they can do it too..." They can. They just won't hit anything they want to hit. This is typical of new male shooters, in general. Seems to be especially the video gamers. They all think they're natural shots. None of 'em have the slightest idea of what 1500 yards looks like. Take 'em for a road trip to Winona's or CFB Borden range. Winona is 800 yards. Borden has 1,000 yard ranges. As I recall, the numbers on the back stop are on eight by eight boards. Either is a hike from Minden, but if you go to Borden on Sunday afternoon, you can visit the Small Arms Museum and Worthington Park(tanks). Won't do anything to teach the bucks, but the museum's is worth the drive.
"...shooting MOA at 1700 yards..." Him I'd pat on the head and humour. The CF doesn't have $35,000 rifles and if it did, no FNG young buck would get anywhere near one.

 

[Phat Eagle]

Tell him to keep practicing on Call of Duty... I'm pretty sure the skills are transferable!

 

[mikethebike]

You can shoot 185y with a 40cal pistol, I couldn't believe it till I tried it with a Glock 35. Hitting a 8" gong, what didn't hit, wasn't far off. Anything is possiable, if you got the right mind set.

hitting 8.5x11 paper at 185 yards with a pistol is exceptional shooting, not just my opinion either. I don't bull#### like others here do, I know what 185 yards is.
Bullet drop of a 9mm at 100 yards is 12 inches. at 185 yards its exponentially more so, since it's a square function. That's more than the size of the paper, so a lot of guesswork on sighting that shot in. I'm not sure why some people here think this is common, it's not at all!