what type of Mauser receiver is this?

[Evanguy]

I want to say this is what i have for a receiver. All the measurments are correct other then mag opening in the receiver.

"This is actually a fairly small group of models, the amount of headaches these cause (when trying to find a part or stock) is way out of proportion to the number of models. Most of these will have some part of the action shortened to save weight. Starting off with Type VI:

Type VI, Oberndorf intermediate action
Action OAL: 8.750
Recvr screws, center to center: 7.835
Bolt body length: 6.165
Magazine length: 3.115
Receiver ring dia: 1.410, large ring
Barrel shank dia: .980, small shank

I call this the Oberndorf intermediate action, as they are the only ones who produced it. Commonly encountered models include:
1903 Turk
1909 Peruvian
1935 Argentine
Oberndorf Commercial

The 1903 Turk and the 1909 Peruvian also share some other qualities. They both have a very high clip bridge, and a long curved arm on the ejector box that puts pressure on a stripper clip loaded into the receiver, holding it in place. The 1935 Argentine and the Oberndorf commercial action do not have this.
This type has a longer than normal receiver ring, and a longer than normal cocking piece, with a shorter than normal bolt body, hard to figure where the weight savings come in!
The Oberndorf commercial action was also available in a small ring version, all other dimensions identical."

 

[diopter]

Diopter, i may take you up on that offer as im getting conflicting measurments off the receiver. If you do want to sell it, i would love to buy it, if not id gladly pay shipping both ways to see if it fits. Thanks
Also those rifles are super nice. I love the look of them. They are exaclty what i want i rifle to look like.



Ok so measurments off receiver go as followed
Large ring- 1.410"
Small shank barrel .977"
Thread length .830"
Action OAL 8.750"
Bolt hole center to center 7.830"
Mag opening 3.270"

Found the bolt in my tool chest.

Trade-ex has a double set trigger for a good price.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/commercial-mauser-m98-double-set-trigger

I'll take one of mine out of the stock tonight so you can see the trigger to receiver setup.

 

[Potashminer]

I just checked a few 98 magazine/guards - there is a .120"-ish rear lip that inserts up into the magazine opening, so mag opening needs to be that much larger than what the actual internal magazine length is. Looks like bearhunter's citation is pretty much correct. It appears the original writer might want to add Paraguay Modelo 1907 to his list? I think I found the original post on "The Curio and Relic Firearms Forum" July 14, 2003.

 

[Evanguy]

Well his has large shank, wrong oal and wrong bolt center to center.

My last post, top if page 3. the quote is from The Curio and Relic Firearms Forum" July 14, 2003

Mine seems to be type VI

And it has correct measurments now that you mention the mag lip

 

[sail32]

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[sail32]

Your right, it does not have a Mannlicher style receiver, I missed that.

 

[sail32]

Mauser also made the Model 1907 for the Mexicans in 7x57mm and the Chinese in 6.8mm and the rifle was re-barrelled to 8x57mm

OLD ULTRA RARE MAUSER M1907 CHINESE RIFLE……1914 GERMAN ARMY WW1 RE-ISSUE….MATCHING AND TEXTBOOK!!!
https://pre98.com/shop/gone-but-not...rman-army-ww1-re-issue-matching-and-textbook/
This is one of the rarest of the German WW1 issued Mauser rifles, We have an M1907 Chinese Contract Mauser Rifle that was Issued to the Germany Army at the onset of WW1. There were 12,000 of these rifles un-shipped and on hand at Mauser at the outbreak of war in 1914.# They were immediately re-chambered from the Chinese 6.8mm cartridge into the standard 8×57 German Military round and issued to the Prussian 4 1/2 Reserve Corps in 1914 (some sources say Wurrtemburg) They were heavily used in combat by these units as they were called up to the front line in 1915.# Few survived the war.# In fact so little was known about the rifle that several were shipped home to Springfield Armory for testing after the war.

German Mauser Model 1907 .7 MM Mauser Cal Full Wood Military Bolt Action Rifle w / 29 1/2" bbl [ fad
https://www.icollector.com/German-M...-Bolt-Action-Rifle-w-29-1-2-bbl-fad_i32702405

Chinese Model 1907 Mauser.
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=51899

Mexican Revolution Mauser Model 1907 Rifle
https://www.icollector.com/Mexican-Revolution-Mauser-Model-1907-Rifle_i22014901


This also showed up, possibly a re-barrelled 1907 from 6.8mm to 8x57mm.
Mauser 98/1907 Chinese Short Rifle 8mm
Auction: 7453507
https://www.gunauction.com/buy/7453507

FROM; https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/6-8mm-chinese-mauser-by-winchester/3713/3

China adopted the Mauser M1907 Rifle in calibre 6,8x57, and had received part of its original Purchse by 1914, when Mauser’s production was re-directed to the War Effort, and undelivered Chinese rifles were re-bored to 7,9x57 for use Locally (Wurttemburg regiments).
The Chinese manufactured 6,8 ammo to supplement the DWM supplies which had dried up in late 1914, and by 1917, had decided to go with the 7,9 Mauser cartridge, as used in their “Hanyang” Rifle (7,9J, RN projectile.)

 

[Evanguy]

That is what i found first looking up the model 1907

But this is a modelo 1907, also the receiver marking are different. Also the charge bridge screws that were done when it went to turkey from paraguay.

This is what i have for my modelo 1907

"Type VI, Oberndorf intermediate action"
As per The Curio and Relic Firearms Forum" July 14, 2003

 

[Evanguy]

Found the bolt in my tool chest.

Trade-ex has a double set trigger for a good price.
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/commercial-mauser-m98-double-set-trigger

I'll take one of mine out of the stock tonight so you can see the trigger to receiver setup.

wow nice looking bolt you have there. the spoon handle bolts look awesome. and yeah i was looking at the double trigger tradeex has, ill probably get one, i had a Mauser with double triggers on it i sold to potasherminer last year, im still kicking my ass for selling it, i found out after it was gone i loved that rifle, but it funded my 460 project.





also does any one know what these marks are, they look like a "MB" if i had to guess it shows up 3 times on the receiver ring

 

[diopter]

Triggers setup.

 

[diopter]

An appropriate floor plate to mount the double set triggers would be difficult to find.

 

[Evanguy]

Yeah i started thinking that after looking at you pictures. I like the trigger guard you have there. I wonder if i can mod a factory bottom metal to take the double triggers and just not have a hinged floor plate

Thanks for the pics though. Very detailed

 

[Potashminer]

The ones that I have here have the double set triggers in a standard trigger guard - really precise inlet to significantly open up the slot where the original trigger had been, then two tiny (like less than .050") pins cross ways through the trigger guard and through the double trigger body. I would think the positioning fore and aft would be critical so the arm that flies up from the trigger correctly hits the arm hanging down from the sear assembly. Neither have hinged floor plates, but no reason they couldn't, using the Euro lever system as a latch.

 

[diopter]

The front post of the trigger guard is threaded to screw into the floor plate. It's one piece.

 

[Potashminer]

I will try to post a picture later today - the versions here have the double set triggers set into a standard bottom metal, complete with the original loop around the trigger. Looks like diopter's example has had the original guard loop removed and replaced with a "shotgun" style - very cool modification! I think I also see that diopter's example has that "Euro lever" as the latch to hold the hinged floor plate closed.

 

[diopter]

See picture in post #19.
Mannlicher stocked uses a lever latch and Bavarian style has the bullet tip push-in button.

Add a full length picture.

 

[Potashminer]

Here is a small ring 98 with the double set trigger in the standard trigger guard - first picture was actually to document the number "42" on the parts. If you zoom in a bit, should be able to see the little cross pins holding the trigger unit into the guard. Got that one from evanguy. Second picture is of a different rifle, though nearly identical set up. Hard to see in these first two pictures, but the trigger guard loops have been "waisted" - narrowed at front and rear to facilitate trigger finger, but full original width at the bottom. Third picture shows what I am calling "waisted" - probably not correct term.

 

[Potashminer]

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[Potashminer]

Well his has large shank, wrong oal and wrong bolt center to center.

My last post, top if page 3. the quote is from The Curio and Relic Firearms Forum" July 14, 2003

Mine seems to be type VI

And it has correct measurments now that you mention the mag lip

Yes, I agree. Somehow I got mixed up between what was written in Post #12 and Post #21.

 

[Evanguy]

thanks for the info and pics of the double triggers, i think im going to add one to my next tradeex order,

ive also found out that a 71/84 barrel is near the same at the receiver end. the 71/84 barrel is 1.000" x 12tpi and the small ring mauser barrel threads are 0.980" x 12tpi and they are the same length thread, im just going to cut the 71/84 threads 0.010" deeper and use that. the barrel is 23" long, the 3.00" oal 43 mauser ammo fits in the mag, it holds three rounds

ill use the same load i use in my rebarreled No4 LE. 50gr of H4895 under a 360gr cast bullet right around 1850fps