You can kill anything with a sharp stick. Might not live to tell about it though. The 35 rem beats the stick but if a pissed off grizzly was running my way I'm thinking I'd want something bigger. I don't run that fast anymore
What wouldn't a 35Rem kill?
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Not a bear defence question just plain old hunt conversation. I understand if hunting grizz it can turn into defence but let's keep away from that and stick to hunting and the killing power of the 35.
Ardent
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I'm intrigued by this fat little cartridge, never owned one, and your thread has me digging at it. I like moderate cartridges with a heavy bullet for youth and ladies more than the .243 angle, and this looks interesting. I wonder what speed it could move a 250gr at from a strong bolt action.
Dorian Gray
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Get one. You'll love it man. I don't have one now but i'll be getting another sometime in the next few years. I've only shot them out of Marlins. Some older, some newer but it's a dandy cartridge if you use it within it's limitations. My entire family (extended and close) uses them and there have been dozens of moose put in our collective freezers with them over the years.
Hoyt: When you rechambered your 35's to 358's, what type of rifle did you do that with? This interests me.
I would think it is safe to assume 25-2800fps with 250gr. I'm pushing 2000fps with a 405gr in a 45/70 and my lever and the single didn't drop any screws yet.Think of 300 Win Mag loads,if you have a strong bolt action.
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What the heck!?!?!
The stiffest load Hodgdon publishes is 2010 fps with a 220 grain... how are you going to get 2800 fps with a 250 grain bullet??? That's 4300 ft/lb's!!! My best .35R load was exactly half of that...
I don't own a 35, that's why I said ASSUME, based on bullet weight and what could be done with a strong bolt action. Not any bolt action. My 45/70 load would blow up most of the rifles that were desgined for the caliber when it came out back then.
I had no intention to lead on the wrong track here,sorry about that.
I had no intention to lead on the wrong track here,sorry about that.
I have owned, loaded for, and shot several 358 Norma Magnums over the past fifty years, and maximum loads will reach a bit over 2800 fps with 250 gr bullets.
Have also loaded the 220 gr Speers to 2200 in the 35 Rem in the Marlin rifles.
My guess is that a 250 gr, which is almost 15% heavier, could be loaded somewhere around 1900 fps.
The bigger problem would be how those bullets would expand at that velocity.
Ted
Have also loaded the 220 gr Speers to 2200 in the 35 Rem in the Marlin rifles.
My guess is that a 250 gr, which is almost 15% heavier, could be loaded somewhere around 1900 fps.
The bigger problem would be how those bullets would expand at that velocity.
Ted
My friend... unless you have specific experience with a load and have cross referenced your data AND specify the parameters (brass/powder/primer/barrel length/ action etc...), do NOT make the kind of statements you made earlier... you wouldn't fool an experienced reloader, but you can hurt an inexperienced reloader with bad data and/or predictions...
And you weren't even close...
Ardent
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I was thinking cast 250gr, so 1800-1900 would be lovely and near max. Could make a nice moderate little carbine that penetrates.
Ardent
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No big deal, I'd just brush up a bit on loads.
The velocities you mentioned are as much as .375 H&H magnum power on the top end of the guess, and equal to 9.3x62 on the low end, both considered entry level elephant cartridges. The fact that power was suggested from the tiny .35 Rem case just amused a few of us, no harm done, as no powder suggestions were made. We're all allowed to guess, the answers are at times humorous is all!And, I think your thinking is right on. I have loaded 220 gr cast bullets in the 30-30 Win, and they do indeed penetrate! A trapper friend of mine used them on his line, and told me that when he first got them he shot one into into a big green spruce, and it went clean through. Can't remember how thick it was, but I do remember he was quite impressed.
The loads were also very accurate, some at least as accurate as factory ammo, at 100 yd.
Ted
Dorian Gray
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Hoyt: When you rechambered your 35's to 358's, what type of rifle did you do that with? This interests me.
Bumping for curiosity.
My hunting buddy, Bert, has a Rem 600 that came from the factory as a 35 Rem. When he got it, it had been rechambered to 358Win.
He has used it for more than 30 years with 250 gr Speer spitzers loaded with Ball C2 to a bit over 2200 fps. He uses it for everything, even sheep hunting, and has put many tons of big game in the freezer with that load.
Ted
He has used it for more than 30 years with 250 gr Speer spitzers loaded with Ball C2 to a bit over 2200 fps. He uses it for everything, even sheep hunting, and has put many tons of big game in the freezer with that load.
Ted
