what's so wrong with the Rem 710/770?

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I've had a few conversations with some and they say there's nothing wrong with them, if you remember what they're competing with. they're not a Remington 700 and never were they're meant to go against the competitor's budget model's (ie. Savage 111), not the venerable 700.

is there more to the story then this?
 
some of them wouldnt even extract a fired shell from the chamber sometimes, what more of a reason to hate a gun than that?
 
While the 710/770 is not supposed to be a 700, the Stevens 200 uses the exact same action as the more expensive Savages. They are both around the same price.

That, in a couple of sentences, is all that is wrong with the 710/770.

Why get a gun that's purposely made with an inferior action (with a lot of plastic where plastic shouldn't be), when you can get a quality functioning firearm for the same price?

If you're still confused, go to your local gun store, and set them side by side on the counter. You shouldn't have to look for the brand to know which one's which.
 
My uncle bought a 710 in 270 last year as a loaner gun if friends wanted to hunt with him. He was telling me about the new Remington bolt action he got. He brought it out, tried to open the bolt beforing handing it to me and it was jammed. Nothing more embarrasing than having issues with your brand new gun especially after talking about how nice it was.

A few weeks ago I was down at Canadian Tire (southland in Calgary) looking for some fishing lures and I walked past the gun counter. A guy and his son were holding a Rem 770. I asked if it was a 710. Told the guy to stay away from them and if he wanted something cheap but could shoot the lights out, look at the Savages. The guy at the gun counter just smiled and said "I agree....exactly..what he said".

Made me smile.
 
The fact is no it's not a 700, but it doesn't cost a whole lot less than the 700 SPS. If they offered the 770 sans scope for under $200, then maybe I would recommend it as a starter rifle on a budget. But for $300 you can get a Stevens or Mossberg that actually does what their supposed to, no chance for the 770. Remington will either drop the price and sell at just above cost or they will have to drop the rifle, simple as that.
 
righto then! I have a better understanding. when I held a Savage against a Tikka T3 Lite, it was lighter (no surprise) but the action was also a lot smoother.

of course, there is quite the price premium...$400 vs. $600. how easy is it to smooth the bolt action of a rifle? I'd rather invest the $200 into optics if possible.
 
I love bargin guns but these thing are just trash. I have handled them at gun shows and I have never handled such a piece of crap, no offence ment to anyone that owns one but its a prime example of what you dont want in a rifle. I think the stevens, mossberg, or marlin are all far better deals than the 710.
 
righto then! I have a better understanding. when I held a Savage against a Tikka T3 Lite, it was lighter (no surprise) but the action was also a lot smoother.

of course, there is quite the price premium...$400 vs. $600. how easy is it to smooth the bolt action of a rifle? I'd rather invest the $200 into optics if possible.


Save an extra $100 and buy better optics yet. Leupold's VX-I is a great scope for $300 and will probably outlast you. The choice of rifles is up to you, but don't worry to much about how smooth a bolt is. The roughest, most crappy operating bolt in the World is also the most reveared; the Mauser 98. It's as sloppy as anything out there, but it's designed that way. Besides, your not masturbating the action, your simply chambering a cartridge. And to do that you don't need it on ball bearings, as it will work just fine as is. Spend your money on quality optics, mounts and rings. Then invest in lot's of ammo. Practice makes the shooter. Save your brass then invest in a handloading set-up, and you'll be laughing. :wave:
 
That old axiom "You get what you pay for" is true. Save up and get the 700 or buy a used one. In my mind you get better value than the 710/770.

I have 2 700's and love them both....
 
x2 to everything written, not to mention the are FUGLY as hell.

my buddy bought one last year for deer season, went to sight it in, and i guess the bolt locked up or something so he sent it back. came back to him, and something else went wrong and it was sent back again, eneded up borrowing my model 94 for his deer cause the 700 was always being fixed.

ive only seen his once or twice, never fired one personally, but gawd, what an ugly looking rifle. bad lines throughout.
 
The roughest, most crappy operating bolt in the World is also the most reveared; the Mauser 98.

Actually,I find the 710 action much rougher than a 98 action.The ones that I tried felt as they were full of sand.

your simply chambering a cartridge. And to do that you don't need it on ball bearings, as it will work just fine as is.

The 710 action was so rough that I had to take the gun from my shoulder to cycle it,a bad situation should a quick second shot be required.

my buddy bought one last year for deer season, went to sight it in, and i guess the bolt locked up or something so he sent it back. came back to him, and something else went wrong and it was sent back again, eneded up borrowing my model 94 for his deer cause the 700 was always being fixed.

Do you mean the 700 or the 710?
 
save an extra $100...you saying go for the Steven's, eh? ;)



Well, maybe. If you like it, go for it. Alot of people look at the T3 as an entry level rifle, I don't. To me, it's as good as a Remington, Browning, Ruger or many others, and is close to the same price bracket. But alot of people, for one reason or another don't like them. I never did, but I decided 'what the heck?' and bought one. I have to say I was impressed with it.

Now I have also owned a few 200's, and for the money you cannot go wrong. But in my opinion the Steven's isn't the same feature for feature as the T3. You can write about it all day long, but in the end you have to handle them and feel them to understand.

The final choice is yours. You need to decide what features you like. The obvious is the magazine. Do you want a detachable mag, or a blind mag. That will depend on how you plan on hunting. If you are going to spend alot of time cruising roads and hopping in and out of a car, the detachable magazine is a better choice. If you are going to load your rifle once in the Morning and unload it that night, or the next day, then the blind mag won't really bother you.

Next you need to decide what you like for feel. To me, the T3 stock doesn't feel like plastc, but more of a composite. The 200's stock is probably the same material, but it just doesn't feel the same. I do prefer the old style checkering of the 200 over the raised dots on the Tikka.

Next look at the other features. The Steven's safety is large and easy to get a purchase of. But the T3's is quiter. I trust the safety of the 200 more, as it feels more positive. Both rifles wear a hockey puck for a recoil pad, but the Stevens is thinner. If it's about right for your length of pull right now, it will probably be too long if you upgrade the pad later. The T3 has a thick pad, and I prefer too short of a pull to too long of a pull. Though I haven't seen a good pad for it yet.

While Savages are known for being accurate, so are Sako's. The T3 wears the same barrel as the Sako rifle. That may or may not be of concern to you, but I like that. Also a silly little thing. The Stevens rifle still has a slotted barrel nut. It's not a big deal, but that's just a little more of a pain whn it comes to dust and crap getting in there that you need to clean out and oil. Like I said, it's silly.

My biggest beef with the Tikka has always been on the bottom. I don't like plastic magazines, but they are very strong I know. The one thing that sits in the back of my mind is 10 years from now, and this rifle is discontinued, can I get spare parts like the magazine catch release? If the aftermarket ever offered replacement bottom metal, I would upgrade. And really, chances are none of thos parts are going to break under normal use, but like I said, it's still in the back of my mind.

But really, pick whatever you want, they will both treat you well I can almost promise you that. But it's in your scope selection that you should put the most weight on. I cannot trust a scope a whole lot. They can be easily bumped or jarred out of zero, it doesn't take much. I found that, especially with low quality scopes that is even more of a problem. That's why if someone asks me what my most trusted rifle is, I'll always say my iron sighted .30-30, because the four horsemen of the Apololypse themselves won't knock those sights out of place.

You will have more faith in better optics. I have a leupold scope on my T3 and my CZ. The .22 gets out alot, and does get bumped around a bit. But that scope holds it's zero even though it has every right to move. You also pay for how well your scope is going to behave at dawn and dusk. I found it's not so much how bright your scope is at these times, but how well you can cut through glare when pointing it towards the rising or setting sun.

Good luck with whatever you choose.
 
Actually,I find the 710 action much rougher than a 98 action.The ones that I tried felt as they were full of sand.

Sorry, I should have said that better. I was refering to the action of the Steven's, compared to the 98, not the 710. They had a nylon liner that always had alot of friction behind it. :)
 
Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?

They are the same people who put it into the market in the first place saying it was great.
 
The 710/770 is a Bic Lighter.

it's a POS.

The much maligned SKS rifles are at least honest. They are cheap and reliable.

I've seen a few 710's not feed, not chamber, not extract, etc. They are S####. Period.

As a bargain gun the Stevens are much more attractive. I'm not a fan for *me* (I've had 2) But they are *honest* and they do work just as well as any other Savage. The 710 doens't work as well as any other 700...
 
while most actions are designed with a multitude of goals like durability, stiffness, safety, lightness, etc, the single overwhelming goal of the 710/770 design is to cut manufacturing costs to the absolute minimum (at the cost of everything else). press-fit barrel, plastic-sleeved action, trigger in a plastic housing, plastic triggerguard thats part of the stock, recoil lug is a part of the stock, plastic rear tang, plastic bolt shroud, plastic bolt stop that wears away, plastic mag latch that if you break you get to order a new stock (not sure if this is fixed on the 770). either the no-Accutrigger Savage packages or the Stevens 200 offer far more value in the same price bracket, and are guns that you or your gunsmith can actually repair/rebarrel/upgrade down the road.

the 'BIC lighter' thing is a very good analogy, except that BIC lighters - while disposable - actually work very well. the 710/770 is more like those @$#%ty no-name lighters people too cheap to buy a BIC get and then sit there frustratedly flicking them 50 times to light a cigarette.
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