What's the deal with M96 Mausers being chambered in .30-06?

This fellow did a lot of work to compile a lot of information on Swede rifles.

http://dutchman.rebooty.com

Swede steel was considered to be superior back in the late 1800s, because of the natural presence of nickel, and other elements in the ore used to make it.

The big issue around 1900 was heat treating, which wasn't done with optical pyrometers or other instruments. It all depended on the human eyes of the person doing the heat treatment and the light conditions at the time.

PO Ackley found the early 96s were plenty strong enough for their intended use, which included being used under harsh conditions.

He tested both the US and Norwegian Krags as well as the different variants of Mausers. The best was the Japanese type 38 Arisaka. They had to weld a steel rod into the muzzle and use a full case of 2400 pistol powder to cause a catastrophic failure, which blew the barrel and melted the brass. The action was fine.

The next strongest action was the US Krag and Norwegian Krag. The early rifles which didn't go through the reheat process imposed on many of those rifles later, when optical pyrometers became an industry standard tool. The later re heat treated Krags didn't stand up as well.

I'm not going to go much further because it would require a book length article. Suffice to say, Mr Ackley didn't exactly use scientific methodology or instruments during his testing as it was mainly for his own personal use.

My sported 96, chambered for the 6mm Remington is dated 1943 and marked Husqvarna. It was one of the non matching rifles that came into Canada later. Before doing the conversion on this rifle, it was Brinnell hardness tested and magnafluxed to find any cracks. It was a while ago and I don't know where I put the info but the hardness of this action was comparable to that of a Ruger 77, which is basically a small ring Mauser.

My receiver has had a hole drilled into the left side of the receiver ring, to help expel gasses and particles from a blown primer.

The trigger was replaced with an adjustable pull weight, after market type and a #### on opening kit, with a low swing safety. I really like this rifle. The barrel was a Remington take off and shoots very well at close to factory velocities.

Kimber supposedly built just around 30,000 sporting rifles, chambered for modern cartridges, on these actions.

MY RIFLE IS OK. Another rifle may not be. It's your choice and responsibility to do the proper checks on the action you choose to build a rifle on. Personally, I would choose a later date or even one of the commercial receivers that were made up. The commercial receivers were made from the same steel as the military receivers.

I would say that the heat treatment of the later rifles "might" be better than earlier rifles, or at the very least, a bit more trustworthy. The craftsmen really knew their stuff in the early 1900s and were dealing with much more random issues than those 50 years later.
 
Lots of "folklore" out there that is impervious to facts. Another "dangerous" firearm is the Norwegian Krag that has also been rechambered to 308.

Unlike the very rare and odd Norwegian Krags which you say were converted to .308, and which very few exist in north America, many thousands of Swedish M94, M96 and M38 Mauser actions have been by both esteemed factories such as Carl Gustav, Husqvarna and others as well as many well known gunsmiths in North America and elsewhere and continue to be converted into modern sporters to this day. This is an actual fact not impervious to research and hearsay evidence.

The "fact" and not "forklore" that Manufacturers like Carl Gustav and others thought that they were save to convert to .308 and that those converted rifle continued to be shot and used to this very day is also very revealing.
 
Mkrnel - as per the Crown Jewels book, the CG63E was apparently made in Sweden at the Carl Gustaf Arsenal, for British shooters - the pictures that you show illustrate the British proof stampings on the chamber area - at least I think that is what the symbols are saying. 20 tons per square inch, I think reflects the axial loading testing as done by Britain - I am not sure that I know how that translates to SAAMI or CIP radial pressure testing.

Regardless, to your knowledge, did Kimber ever do proof testing on the Swede conversions that they sold? I would find it odd if an American manufacturer would not do something to protect self, especially in law-suit happy USA?

No they did not as their primary markets for them did not require it but if you notice in my post #32 I posted a link to a modern Kimber converted M96 Mauser that is for sale in the UK and the requirement in the UK is all rilfe's sold in the UK must be proof tested by the approved British proof houses before they can be sold there.

Here it is again - https://www.ukgunroom.com/viewGun.jsp?id=84041

I could provide you more examples of British proof house tested converted M96 Mauser rifles but you or anybody else here with the inclination for facts over folklore can find the same information as I with a little googling.
 
Unlike the very rare and odd Norwegian Krags which you say were converted to .308, and which very few exist in north America, many thousands of Swedish M94, M96 and M38 Mauser actions have been by both esteemed factories such as Carl Gustav, Husqvarna and others as well as many well known gunsmiths in North America and elsewhere and continue to be converted into modern sporters to this day. This is an actual fact not impervious to research and hearsay evidence.

The "fact" and not "forklore" that Manufacturers like Carl Gustav and others thought that they were save to convert to .308 and that those converted rifle continued to be shot and used to this very day is also very revealing.

My post flew over your head.............. I agree that many rechamberings deemed unsafe are safe, but many people will refuse to ever believe that a Swedish M96 in 308 or 30-06 is safe regardless of testing and experience. As unsafe firearm conspiracy theorists, they'll say while a "Kaboom" hasn't yet happened, just wait.
 
My post flew over your head.............. I agree that many rechamberings deemed unsafe are safe, but many people will refuse to ever believe that a Swedish M96 in 308 or 30-06 is safe regardless of testing and experience. As unsafe firearm conspiracy theorists, they'll say while a "Kaboom" hasn't yet happened, just wait.


No problem!
 
I wouldn't trust a Krag action myself, the Norwegians themselves now use only the original loading pressures of 6.5x55 not the updated loading they adopted because of the toll it takes on those rifles. That design is marginal at best for strength when you consider the fact the 'Steyr Radius' is known for increasing the strength of that action. Most designs you wouldn't even notice something like that.
 
I wouldn't trust a Krag action myself, the Norwegians themselves now use only the original loading pressures of 6.5x55 not the updated loading they adopted because of the toll it takes on those rifles. That design is marginal at best for strength when you consider the fact the 'Steyr Radius' is known for increasing the strength of that action. Most designs you wouldn't even notice something like that.

That makes two of us but I'm just parroting PO Ackley's test results.
 
A nice and slim medium weight model 96 with good sights chambered in 8x57 would be a great general purpose rifle in my opinion. I like #### on closing actions and the 8x57 cartridge is excellent. Mauser stripper clips are some of the best as well.
 
I wouldn't trust a Krag action myself, the Norwegians themselves now use only the original loading pressures of 6.5x55 not the updated loading they adopted because of the toll it takes on those rifles. That design is marginal at best for strength when you consider the fact the 'Steyr Radius' is known for increasing the strength of that action. Most designs you wouldn't even notice something like that.

I'm also surprised at the Krag being as strong as it is. Read somewhere they tried to blow one up by grinding of the locking lug and firing it... it held. Pretty impressive actually... so much for blaggarding it as weak.:cheers:
 
Just wanna leave this out there, got one of these guns from a guy second hand, used 150gr 30-06 norma whitetail, was able to get 0.5MOA at 100 yards for two 2 shot groups (no 3 shot group cuz the wind was crazy that day)
 
I recall reading Ackleys blow up tests. He used 96 Swede actions, tested with progressively hotter loads. Measured actions between shots to check for deformation. The 96 went to 77,000 psi before deformation and failed completely at 83,000 psi. I would say a 30/06 in any sane loading would be safe as houses.
 
A nice and slim medium weight model 96 with good sights chambered in 8x57 would be a great general purpose rifle in my opinion. I like #### on closing actions and the 8x57 cartridge is excellent. Mauser stripper clips are some of the best as well.
I had two of the 96 action factory sporters, without the thumb cut, one in 7x57 and one in 8x57. Never had an issue with either, and passed them on to a young friend. Also had one of the military ones that had been rechambered to 6.5-06, was one of the most accurate sporter rifles I ever owned. They're good actions. - dan
 
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