what's the most useless gun ever
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Dangerous Ross Gun
Yes i think the Ross Rifle probly the worst gun man made because back in the first World War the Canadian soldiers were frustraded and refused to used these guns. When they got dirty after dragging them through the mud they wouldn't shoot right they'd jam so they take them down to clean them and if they took apart the bolt and put them together wrong the bolt would blow up in there face and cause fatal injuries to the soldiers. Some people died using this useless piece of crap gun . Friend of mine just received one of these from his uncle and ask me if we should shoot it i told not in million years . I dont know how the bolt stays in place after shooting it pulls back pretty easy not my type of gun.
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Yes i think the Ross Rifle probly the worst gun man made because back in the first World War the Canadian soldiers were frustraded and refused to used these guns. When they got dirty after dragging them through the mud they wouldn't shoot right they'd jam so they take them down to clean them and if they took apart the bolt and put them together wrong the bolt would blow up in there face and cause fatal injuries to the soldiers. Some people died using this useless piece of crap gun . Friend of mine just received one of these from his uncle and ask me if we should shoot it i told not in million years . I dont know how the bolt stays in place after shooting it pulls back pretty easy not my type of gun.
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1899 said:
I have fired a hand gun many times and never owned one because of it. I don't like them just like some people don't like semi auto's, pumps ect.. Perhaps the word "hate" handguns was strong but was used figuratively.
Then you get the handgun crowd that will jump all over a guy because he does not agree with their views and will be labled as an ####### ,troll ect.... I do not go out of my way to discourage the use of handguns but for myself personally I find them useless just as some people stated that semi-autos are useless.
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scott_r said:
The problem is not that you chose to use one firearm over another - the problem is that you would ban a firearm which you have decided chosen not to use. The biggest problem that we as shooters have in this country, is that firearms laws are written by nonshooters. Those of us who are considered part of the Canadian Firearms Community must stand against any ban - directed against any type of firearm. Further, we must fight against this idea that we must justify what we choose to own in order to own it.
Boomer said:
Now you are speaking for myself and your statement is very far from the truth. Because I don't like something does not mean I want to see it banned.
I was stating what firearm I find to be the most useless and that is a handgun and that It wouldnt bother me to see them replaced with bolt actions. I was not being literal but more so showing my affection to the bolt action rifle.
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Rigmover said:
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The Ross was a pressure project, the Government wanted Canada to make a field rifle, and Artillery makers took on the project. It was a stupid deal, as there were probably folks in Canada at the time that could have come up with a good design.
The Troops are the ones that suffered from this political failure, in combat with a heavy sometimes dangerous firearm. They were not long ditching this POS for a British made rifle picked up off the dead in the field.
I may be wrong on some of this, as its just from memory.
The Troops are the ones that suffered from this political failure, in combat with a heavy sometimes dangerous firearm. They were not long ditching this POS for a British made rifle picked up off the dead in the field.
I may be wrong on some of this, as its just from memory.
scott_r said:
Not quite that far actually. You said you hated handguns and it wouldn't bother you if they were wiped off the face of the earth.
scott_r said:
If you overstated your position in the first post there's always the edit button.
Gevarm Semi-Auto .22
OK, while it's only a little old rim fire .22 , I think it can still be considered a hunting rifle ... for grouse and other small game.....? Can't it?
Any way, it's the worst because the action is always open when it's ready to fire or when the saftey is on. When you fire, the whole bolt slams forward (the bolt is the firing pin) and then returns to the open position awaiting the next trigger pull. To engage the safety, you have to pull the bolt all the way back and rotate it into a slot at the furthest rearward position. A great way to allow crap to get into the action if your walking in the bush. I don't know of any other rifle that fires from an open action like this.
OK, while it's only a little old rim fire .22 , I think it can still be considered a hunting rifle ... for grouse and other small game.....? Can't it?
Any way, it's the worst because the action is always open when it's ready to fire or when the saftey is on. When you fire, the whole bolt slams forward (the bolt is the firing pin) and then returns to the open position awaiting the next trigger pull. To engage the safety, you have to pull the bolt all the way back and rotate it into a slot at the furthest rearward position. A great way to allow crap to get into the action if your walking in the bush. I don't know of any other rifle that fires from an open action like this.
Nothing wrong with the Ross rifle as a sporting arm, just failed miserably as a combat rifle. Grand-dad spoke of tossing them for L.E. when ever they could. Rifle however, by his account, was very accurate but you had to assemble it properly or the bolt came back through your head upon firing. HIs few accounts of Vimy and the war are from 47 years ago.
Take Care
Bob
Take Care
Bob
Claybuster said:Not quite that far actually. You said you hated handguns and it wouldn't bother you if they were wiped off the face of the earth.
If you overstated your position in the first post there's always the edit button.
Only thing I overstated was using the word "hate" but if for some crazy act of God that all handguns were replaced with bolt action rifles, I wouldnt loose any sleep over it. If you don't like my opinion....oh well
Nothing wrong with a Ross rifle, they were just too tightly fitted to work well in extreme conditions. They are a very accurate rifle, just should not have been issued to front line troops. The bolts coming back in your face is an old myth. Many times it has been tried, it is not true. There is a way to incorrectly reassemble the bolt to make a dangerous condition, but it would take a lot of effort. The Ross has opposing lugs like any bolt action, they turn at the very end of the forward bolt stroke to engage the receiver lugs. They work just like a Browning BLR, or any other action with a rotating head and multiple lugs. And they will not discharge if that head is not fully in place.
The Ross was a poor battle rifle no question in dirt, mud and sand, but the myths of it's dangers are not true. They made and make a fine sporting rifle because they are well fitted, large and very strong. All I have used have been quite accurate also, I own and shoot three of them. They were often converted to magnum rounds after the war.
The Ross was a poor battle rifle no question in dirt, mud and sand, but the myths of it's dangers are not true. They made and make a fine sporting rifle because they are well fitted, large and very strong. All I have used have been quite accurate also, I own and shoot three of them. They were often converted to magnum rounds after the war.
So if by some crazy act of government all handguns were banned would that cause you to lose any sleep?scott_r said:Only thing I overstated was using the word "hate" but if for some crazy act of God that all handguns were replaced with bolt action rifles, I wouldnt loose any sleep over it. If you don't like my opinion....oh well
BTW, when the Aussies banned most handguns, pump shotguns and most semi-autos they compensated the owners who then went out to buy hinge action shotguns and lever and bolt action rifles. I guess they got your wish.
Your opinion is yours to have. But you sure sound like the guys who'd throw handgun or black rifle owners over the side if it meant YOUR guns were left alone.
Casull
Try this method.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ross_rifle.htm
I guess you had to be there.
Take Care
Bob
Try this method.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ross_rifle.htm
I guess you had to be there.
Take Care
Bob
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I don't think I've ever come across a gun yet that was useless. My first .22 was a semi-jammy made by Lakefield. I hated that rifle but it could still shoot accurately and take out black and grey squirrels. It's too bad to read the dissension in this thread. We need to be united now more than ever. What do you think?
I wouldn't
call it decension, it is just asking for opinions on what people think are considered useless guns.
Yes, these are things that should NOT be discussed over the internet as all eyes have access to the sight. That will never happen.
I place a MOTION that there be NO NEGETIVE TALK AT ALL on Gunnutz. Can we all band together? Will never happen.
JMO
Calvin
call it decension, it is just asking for opinions on what people think are considered useless guns.
Yes, these are things that should NOT be discussed over the internet as all eyes have access to the sight. That will never happen.
I place a MOTION that there be NO NEGETIVE TALK AT ALL on Gunnutz. Can we all band together?
Will never happen.JMO
Calvin
