Fairly normal. There are quite a few early mosin with the sa stamp on it. Unless its an early tikka or a 91/24 they never seem to get much respect.
Whats up with the mania for hex mosins?
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Fairly normal. There are quite a few early mosin with the sa stamp on it. Unless its an early tikka or a 91/24 they never seem to get much respect.
lowridersvt
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I don't even look at 91/30's anymore unless they are non referb but I will pay more for original m91's my hex 91/30 referb bore sucked but I paid the same as my round receiver so no big deal
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Sounds like my 33 hex.... pretty much untouched and in nice shape and yet I only paid $151.00 all in.
I have 2 hex ... one of them a westinghouse.... I wanted one simply because I didnt have one..... I have 7 Mosins of different years/variations now... and for what I paid for them I will never regret it..... I bought the first one for $99 and was hooked....
All of this Mosin hysteria is bringing back a lot of memories.The first Mosin I bought came from SIR mailorder and cost me I believe either $24.99 or $29.99 with all the trimmings,I can't remember which and 15 round packs of very grimy surplus 7.62X54R ammo in those frail wedge shaped boxboard containers was $1.49 each if memory serves me correctly.I fired one hell of a pile of ammo through that rifle.Again,I can't remember the exact year but International Firearms had a special deal on a 7 pack of Mosins that included some pretty choice specimens by today's standards,I believe the cost was $279.99 or something like that,I used to have the flyer around here somewhere.Ended up selling them off quite some time ago and I wish to hell I had of hung onto them,those were the days.
haretrigger
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Makes me think, that maybe, just maybe these are the days!?
I realize times have changed and you can't walk into a department store and take your pick of full wood Lee Enfields for $15 from a barrel - but when Enfields were $15, the dollar was worth that much more. Probably a couple days pay for the average member of the workforce, back then. With that in mind, somehow it makes Mosin prices seem extremely reasonable. SVT 40's for $199 or an SKS for $159 is ridiculously cheap and a great place to start a collection.
#1bcshooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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There as rare as SVT40s and non refurb Russian SKS's both of which go for around $1000 in the USA but are under $300 here
I love when people compare US prices to Canadian prices when one has nothing to do with the other
I think some are taking advantage of the aesthetic preferences of some buyers by charging sometimes ridiculous premiums for these. I'd pay no more for a 91/30 based solely on the era of the receiver.
Many of those butt-fugly '43 rifles have the nicest bores that you could ask for. My sniper is one such rifle.
Many of those butt-fugly '43 rifles have the nicest bores that you could ask for. My sniper is one such rifle.
Mr_jonny, I would suggest you pay a tad more attention to your pennies. When I finished teaching at Gordon Bell high school in Winnipeg (one of the toughest and one of the very best schools you will find anywhere), my entire Grade Nine class pitched in and bought me a PENNY and gave it to me on the last day of class. It is a Canadian 1925, the last year I needed to fill in the complete series of Small Cents. I already had the similarly-rare 1923. It cost a LOT more than $20..... and that is almost 40 years ago. I wonder what some of those kids are doing today......
A bit of history....
Russia never made a Moisin-Nagant rifle with a HEXagonal receiver. The receivers were OCTAGONAL: 8 sides.
Imperial Russia made THREE different standard-issue long rifles: the Infantry Rifle, the Dragoon Rifle and the Cossack Rifle. The Infantry Rifle is the longest and heaviest, Dragoon and Cossack shared the same specification but were marked differently: Cossack serial numbers begin with KA3, ALL of them. Dragoons were heavy mounted infantry; they rode horses to the battlefield, dismounted and fought. Cossacks did much likewise but also fought from horseback; the rifles were shorter and lighter to spare the horses. Cavalry, of course, had the 1910 Carbine.
The Soviets settled on the Dragoon rifle specification for their new rifle. The ROUND receiver (easir and faster to make) was a major part of the specification. There are NO 91/30 rifles built with Octagonal receivers. What DO exist are older rifles rebuilt to the 1930 specification. The Barrel date of the Moisin-Nagant is generally accepted as the date of manufacture, but it is not. Many collectors (myself included) have Finish Dragoon Rifles from the middle-late 1930s, rebarreled in Russia and issued as new..... with old octagonal receivers.
The Finnish Army today is still using old pre-1930 Moisin-Nagant receivers on their newest sniping rifles for one reason: the octagonal receiver is STIFFER and can be made to shoot to a very high standard much easier than can the round receiver of the true 91/30.
Hope this helps.
A bit of history....
Russia never made a Moisin-Nagant rifle with a HEXagonal receiver. The receivers were OCTAGONAL: 8 sides.
Imperial Russia made THREE different standard-issue long rifles: the Infantry Rifle, the Dragoon Rifle and the Cossack Rifle. The Infantry Rifle is the longest and heaviest, Dragoon and Cossack shared the same specification but were marked differently: Cossack serial numbers begin with KA3, ALL of them. Dragoons were heavy mounted infantry; they rode horses to the battlefield, dismounted and fought. Cossacks did much likewise but also fought from horseback; the rifles were shorter and lighter to spare the horses. Cavalry, of course, had the 1910 Carbine.
The Soviets settled on the Dragoon rifle specification for their new rifle. The ROUND receiver (easir and faster to make) was a major part of the specification. There are NO 91/30 rifles built with Octagonal receivers. What DO exist are older rifles rebuilt to the 1930 specification. The Barrel date of the Moisin-Nagant is generally accepted as the date of manufacture, but it is not. Many collectors (myself included) have Finish Dragoon Rifles from the middle-late 1930s, rebarreled in Russia and issued as new..... with old octagonal receivers.
The Finnish Army today is still using old pre-1930 Moisin-Nagant receivers on their newest sniping rifles for one reason: the octagonal receiver is STIFFER and can be made to shoot to a very high standard much easier than can the round receiver of the true 91/30.
Hope this helps.
Smellie are you saying that the entire production run of 91/30 from 1931 to 36 was built on recycled receivers? Most of the tang dates I have observed (which are seldom re-stamped) are very close to the barrel dates throughout that production run.
haretrigger
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Thanks for pointing that out Smellie, I feel ashamed that I've been perpetuating the use of the "hex" in my posts, I did so knowingly out of ease of describing an attribute of a rifle that others have used the incorrect terminology for. I'm part of the problem!
I will henceforth refer to them as OCT receivers
Takes time to re-tool, doubly so when you already have shapers and planers on the floor........ and lathes are hard to get because of the international financial collapse and because there are just SO many other things which are needed.
Soviet economy was an economy of scarcity for many years. Their currency had no backing and was not traded internationally.
I don't think they would ever have been able to make a car if Henry hadn't sold them a second-hand Model A plant, dirt cheap. Installed at Gorky, it turned out Model A Fords until well after WW2, using the name GAZ: Gorkiy Avtomobiliya Zavod. Soviet "Jeep" of War 2 was the GAZ-A, their light truck was the GAZ-AA, medium truck the GAZ-AAA: copies of th older Ford AA and AAA trucks. They could be made on Model A tooling to a great extent.
Soviet economy was an economy of scarcity for many years. Their currency had no backing and was not traded internationally.
I don't think they would ever have been able to make a car if Henry hadn't sold them a second-hand Model A plant, dirt cheap. Installed at Gorky, it turned out Model A Fords until well after WW2, using the name GAZ: Gorkiy Avtomobiliya Zavod. Soviet "Jeep" of War 2 was the GAZ-A, their light truck was the GAZ-AA, medium truck the GAZ-AAA: copies of th older Ford AA and AAA trucks. They could be made on Model A tooling to a great extent.
I have two Finnish Mosins a Dragoon and a M-27 both with Hex receivers. The Dragoon has a 1939 VTK barrel and the M-27 a 1941 Tikka. Bought them both in the middle 80's,$55.00 for the Dragoon and $45.00 for the M-27.They rank among some of my most accurate rifles. What would they sell for now?
A bit of history....
Russia never made a Moisin-Nagant rifle with a HEXagonal receiver. The receivers were OCTAGONAL: 8 sides.
Smellie;I suppose you could consider the mosin as having a octagonal receiver but you would need 8 flats on it. It has 6 flats and 2 rounds hence it is really not a hex or a octagon.
Russia never made a Moisin-Nagant rifle with a HEXagonal receiver. The receivers were OCTAGONAL: 8 sides.
Smellie;I suppose you could consider the mosin as having a octagonal receiver but you would need 8 flats on it. It has 6 flats and 2 rounds hence it is really not a hex or a octagon.
Hex is an accepted term, even if it isn't geometrically accurate. If you want to get pedantic, Russia didn't call it a "Mosin-Nagant" either, yet both terms are accepted.
From what I understand of the history, even though the 1930 revision of the rifle specified a round receiver, mass production of round receivers did not begin until 1935 (Izhevsk) and 1936 (Tula). 1930 was just when the spec was finalized.
From what I understand of the history, even though the 1930 revision of the rifle specified a round receiver, mass production of round receivers did not begin until 1935 (Izhevsk) and 1936 (Tula). 1930 was just when the spec was finalized.
