Whats with all the cool new 'Black Rifles' being $2000 +

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Is it a sign of the times because of inflation or is it simply a case of supply and demand driving prices up. I would think the latter, manufacturers have realized they can pretty well charge whatever they want and the 'black rifle' crowd keeps paying.
I realize that AR prices have come down, and I'm sure that can be contibuted to Norinco and NEA offering good products at a low price point.
Pistol prices have also been coming down, ex Ruger SR9 for $399.
What do you think it will take to bring the prices down on all the 'new' offerings?
XCR $2300 +
KRISS V $1999 +
B&T APC9 $2600 +
Famae SAF $1999 +
New SG 542 anticipated $2500 +
Scorpion EVO Hopefully sub $2000
The only sub $2000 guns at this time appear to be the JR Carbine (Got a bad rap right from the start), Thureon defence carbine (ugly IMHO), Keltec SU16 and the BRS-99 ($1699+)
I guess we'll continue going broke for our love of 'black rifles':D
 
Supply and demand.

And recouping the costs of research, testing, and tooling. (If the manufacturer has set the MSRP high.)
 
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Shep546 said:
Non-restricted = Mega bucks.

If an XCR cost $400 I could guarantee you it would be restricted class based on "looks".
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Umm... No...

That's not how the classification system works. The RCMP lab will likely try a little harder to prohibit it if the retail price is low, but unless it's a named or unnamed variant of a prohibited or restricted firearm, or it can be readily and easily converted to fully automatic, the classification will be based on barrel length.
 
Shep546 said:
I see you've done a lot of importing into Canada.

Price point has a HUGE say on how these weapons are classified whether it is in official regs or not.

Speak to some of the dealers here who bring these firearms into Canada.
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Which is why the Norinco M-14S and CZ-858 are prohibited...

Oh wait...
 
Shep546 said:
I see you've done a lot of importing into Canada.

Price point has a HUGE say on how these weapons are classified whether it is in official regs or not.

Speak to some of the dealers here who bring these firearms into Canada.
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Could you suggest which importers have experienced this?
 
Zerex said:
What do you think it will take to bring the prices down on all the 'new' offerings?
XCR $2300 +
KRISS V $1999 +
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Loctite can be cost-prohibitive... ;) I saw a Kriss for $1,899, but I actually thought 2k was pretty reasonable (when compared to a USC, UMP, TP9, etc.)

caramel said:
You did not mentionned it but you get a lot of value for 1550.00 out of a Benelli MR-1... JP.
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Good one. ;) More so now than when it was priced closer to $1,800...
 
Shep546 said:
I see you've done a lot of importing into Canada.

Price point has a HUGE say on how these weapons are classified whether it is in official regs or not.

Speak to some of the dealers here who bring these firearms into Canada.
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Well, I talk to distributors that import these rifles almost every day. Since you seem to have extensive knowledge on the subject, who should I talk to at what company?
 
Shep546 said:
I see you've done a lot of importing into Canada.

Price point has a HUGE say on how these weapons are classified whether it is in official regs or not.

Speak to some of the dealers here who bring these firearms into Canada.
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My FN SCAR-L was close to $4k, and FRT approval has been ongoing for almost two years... So I would hazard a guess that price point has less influence than you suggest.
 
Don't forget, thanks to our (idiotic IMHO) laws and regulations, never mind the export laws/regs (ITAR anyone) it costs more to bring those rifles up here, and the dealers sure as hell ain't gonna do it for free.

Our market is also a helluva lot smaller than the market in the US, so that drives the costs up too.

Hell, I'd like to see the costs lower too, but it ain't gonna happen.

Just be happy we can GET these rifles.
 
Keep in mind all of the r&d and business costs associated with designing and selling a new model of firearm (most of those you have listed have been recently designed). AR's, M14's, and VZ58's are relatively cheap because they were designed a long time ago with governments footing the bills, not to mention the fact that the cheap versions of the former 2 are made in China.

If someone in Canada were to design and domestically produce a new black rifle the retail price would likely be much greater than that of the firearms you listed.

A Ross rifle, back in the day, retailed in the $100 range, IIRC, back when gold was worth $20 an ounce.

What do you think it will take to bring the prices down on all the 'new' offerings
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A combination or some/all of several factors. Produce the firearms overseas, a dramatic expansion of demand, elimination of piles of red tape, huge government contracts, etc. Those price tags are certainly not part of some grand collusion scheme on the part of manufacterers, importers, and retailers.
 
mtallman said:
Keep in mind all of the r&d and business costs associated with designing and selling a new model of firearm
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I understand what you're saying and this wasn't meant to be another ##### fest about gun prices in general in Canada.
My point was more aimed at the new gen of 'black rifles'.
Like I said handgun prices have come down, sub moa out of the box rifles have come down, and of course AR's have come down.
Maybe it'll take more competition (ie Norcs, NEA etc) to drive the other prices down.

Thanks for all the great posts so far:cheers:
 
Only cheap Norinco AR15 and M14 are less than 1000$ and it has nothing to do with their legal status.
Genuine Colt AR15 were always expensive and H&K rifle were always super expensive.

The only difference is that inflation is much higher than it was before the 2000s.
Prices of everything are high because the US has been in permanent wars for the last 10 years and it has produced higher inflation.
Older readers will remember that the same thing happenned during the Vietnam War at the end of the 60s and the early 70s when a FN FAL cost $150 !!!

War is expensive and permanent wars insure higher inflation for a very long time.

Alex
 
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