What's with the 'Bubba' thing?

There were literally millions of these rifles made. If you want to spend your money on a good one and butcher it, then your stupid - not because there is a problem with modifying something you paid for, but because you should have gotten a cheaper one if you wanna mod it. Why pay collectible prices for a (soon to be) non-collectible? That just doesn't make sense...

But nobody is ever going to cry over a non-matching beat up wartime production mosin. They will never be collectors items - at least not in our lifetimes (or our kids)

I understand there was millions made, how many are kicking around now in original condition? Most the ones that were turned into sporters were the ones which were in the nicest condition as well. I have said my opinion on them, which is to leave them be, but I have no say in what others do to their property.

In regards to your Mosin example, how many people said that about Enfields? The fact is, they aren't making any more and each one that is modified, is one less in existence.
 
I'm in agreement with the OP on this one. In spite of protests to the contrary, my observation has been that any sporterized or altered milsurp is often referred to as "bubba'd".

We have no way of knowing what the actual history of most of these rifles was. Chances are, if you have a really immaculate specimen of, say for instance, a Lee Enfield No. 4, that it never saw combat at all and spent it's service life doing guard duty on the home front. It's history may be that it was built, packed in a crate, and put into storage. The most dilapidated examples should be worth the most, if you want to argue history, since they are most likely to have actually seen combat.

Many of these rifles, having been altered, actually have more history as somebody's cherished hunting rifle than they ever did as a service rifle. I sold a friend's brother a cut down No. 4 a few years back. He loves that rifle, and shoots everything with it. Would it mean more to him as a 9 lb, full-wood, as-issued service rifle?
 
Seems like once a month someone starts a thread like this in the milsurp section.

Sporterizing makes zero sense today cause you can buy a savage axis for $400 with a scope ready to go. Back then when so many did it it made sense which is why I'm not horrified by sporters.

But then there's Bubba, a fellow who know less about guns then he does about how to properly shorten and crown a barrel.

I like original milsurps and some people like plastic black rifles. That's fine by me, no need for me to call them out on it in their favorite section of this forum.

Nuff said
 
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Kind of have to play fair here. It's easy to look back n'judge, and obviously there are varying examples of the "affronts to history" out there.

I'm too young to have hidden in a trench...almost 100 years have passed (or 70 depending on which biggie you choose) since these gems were actually used. A lot has happened since then. What a lot of folks don't seem to see today is that a few decades were spent trying to forget those "issues"! If something carried against folk could be made more friendly looking, and used for deer instead so much th'better. I have a few examples here in m'house.

My Dad came to Canada in '57 from Germany. He was a youngster in Berlin during the hectic times (actually was evacuated, and returned on foot...). When he got to Canada he bought firearms for hunting (and possibly just for the ability to do so). In Galt/Guelph kinda region acquired a VZ24(the best German rifles are Czech made!). Brought it a reputable smith and had the stock lopped n' lengthened (Dad's big), and a scope added... lol seeing them used for one thing, then whipping them into shape for moose n' deer wasn't a crime...

Norwegian Krags...I finally have one with a bore. It like many I looked though have a swastika marked out (a makers mark that is far removed from Nazism) from manufacturer because of association. lol the wood, bayo lug are also long gone too...y'don't need for seals!

I totally understand a willingness to preserve history. That's a modern thought, and it's judging from hindsight without accounting for what has actually happened since. I think it would be foolish for many reasons today to modify a rarity. I like Parker Hale, but have a harder time with Globe. I can recall a barrell of .303's for $15 each...do what you want, and ammo (like 30-30) was at every gas station/corner store.

JB weld where screws/solder oughta be, gear clamp with finishing nail front sight, bungee cord on the 'ol "fall apart" single shot shotgun, and th'like are Bubba stuff. I'm actually trying to use the phrase "folk smith" instead these days. I also know a couple of fellas who took $200 Mosins, and SKSs and turned them into anomalies: Priceless to them, but now worth less on market.
 
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There's one very good use of these 'altered/butchered,sporterized,whatever,milsurps,and that is they make fine shooters for a fraction of the cost of an untouched milsurp.I picked up a very fine Swiss K11 carbine for $100 just because someone had drilled several holes in an unsuccessful attempt to mount a scope....the rest of the rifle was pristine...if I want I might just fill and carefully file down the drill holes and touch it up with a drop of cold blue,then go out and just shoot it...thanks bubba, without you I wouldn't have got it but for $100 ,I couldn't pass it up,and no,I'm not the slightest bit concerned it has no 'collector value' ,I just wanted a nice representive Swiss rifle made like a Swiss watch,rivals the Huskys for quality and fine machine work,fit and finish
...a Russian clunker this isn't..
 
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What set me off?....ignorant comments by ignorant people out to remove any shadow doubt about how ignorant that were...tell you one thing ,though,and that is the guy who chopped his old 303 was probably more concerned about making it a 'carry rifle ' than a showpiece,and if a hack saw cut some weight off , so be it...he wasn't a gunsmith and didn't pretend to be..but as long as the bubba'd rifle could be picked up cheap after he moved on,it made a great project to practice some skills on-and a fine shooter .My Ruger No1 stays home on rainy days and my sporterized swede 65x55 takes its place

One thing I have noticed and that is you generally don't hear old guys who actually have gone to war or been shot at looking down their nose at 'bubba'd ' milsurps...and my goal as a kid was to 'save up' enough to buy a genuine 'Parker Hale'...

So far I haven't seen any ignorant remarks, but you seem to be headed in that direction, if someone refers to some half assed workmanship as bubba or crappy it probably just is, if whoever hacked it up happens to have gone to war, great for them, they still did crappy work regardless, but now it seems that calling spades spades means we don't appreciate whoever the hell it was almost a century ago who went to war, or appreciate that the rifle was used to put meat in the freezer? Not worth a hissy fit over someone else's terminology but if you want to over react or get dramatic that's up to you. If grandpa drilled a bunch of holes in the action or jammed something in the bore or started filing parts of the trigger down it doesn't mean it's safe cause he went to war or put meat in the freezer once upon a time.

Cheers,,
 
Not a milsurp, but i bought a somewhat bubba'd Hornet from a member, who took it in on trade. Someone had drilled holes down in the stocks barrel channel, and put cast bullets sticking up....to "bed" the barrel. Then the action was bedded using hot glue.....the action actually tilted front to back as you cycled it.

So trying to de bubba that one. Bubba seems to target milsurps, but likes to "fix" sporting guns as well. Actually much of the aftermarket stocks, handguards, mounts that amount to a industry within firearms....is a direct result of Bubba....take a bow.....
 
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BUBBA...Was here ^^^


LOL! Thread a pipe plug in there and give it back to him....
 
Sometimes about 25-30 years ago I got my first M 96 Swede. It was rough, had a couple of mismatched serial number parts, although I knew nothing about all that a the time. It was a 1898 model with 4 digit serial number. It had an awful beech stock full of dents and scratches, and I later learned it had been heavily sanded at some point, ie the finger groove edges were well rounded. Bluing was almost non existent. A friend had gotten a bluing tank, so I disassembled and cleaned up the parts and told him no polishing, just get a matt or semi gloss blue, whatever came out and that did turn out nice. I steamed and reworked the stock so it looked nice, but beech is hard to stain evenly so was never happy with it. Late last year in my modest research I learned that the French walnut was the proper wood for the 1898 rifles, so I acquired a walnut stock , cleaned it up a little and installed it. Numbers on the stock do not match, but the beech stock did not have any numbers anyway. By some accounts I have "bubbaed" the rifle, but in my view It would never be a truly desirable collectors item, so I simply made it look more like orginal. One other modification for my older eyes was the installation of a set of MO JO double diopter sights, which can be removed and the original sights simply replaced. No drilling and tapping involved at all. If I could get one of the original Swedish diopter sights in good condition, I might have it drilled and tapped for that.
 
I have no problem with people turning military surplus rifles into hunting rifles if that's all they can afford or if they're actually going to keep it and use it. I hunt with two Mosin-Nagant 91/30s rifles that are sporterized. One for open flat country and one for deep bush hunting. The first one was all I could afford at the time years ago and the second was already missing half of its parts and needing some TLC. I could have restored it but I didn't. I wouldn't do it again though, it was a waste of two potentially fine military rifles.

The problem I have is with the endless armies of guys refinishing their stocks for no apparent reason and then turning around and selling the rifle a few months later. There was a thread a few months ago where a gentleman refinished a 91/30 PU in otherwise great condition and I complained. He said "It's my rifle, I'll do what I want with it and I plan to keep it my entire life, I'll hand it down to my children." OK, fair enough. But, lo and behold there is his 91/30 PU for sale two months later on the EE and he conveniently forgets to mention its refinished and doesn't provide good enough photos to show that it is. What a jerk.

The other common one is people trying to make their SKS an AR-15. It ends up costing more than an entry level AR-15 in the end and it looks terrible. Why not just buy an AR-15? They're great rifles. Leave the SKS for a guy who wants an SKS.
 
LOL! Thread a pipe plug in there and give it back to him....


I kinda plan to shoot the thing...I hope:rolleyes:

as for the 2 sported er..one sported rifle up there ^^^
The first looks much like my first hunting rifle(Dad gave me) I still have it and should take her out for air this weekend.

The second would get some of that trash removed and some wood put back on , It looks like a cheep :adult:
 


My VZ24 vintage pre-war purchased as a full military in 1964 for $ 35.
A buddy restocked it with a Husqvarna stock, turned down the bolt handle, drilled and tapped as well as removing all the iron.
It has been an outstanding hunting rifle, tackdriver accurate with a 180 gr. load.
I was told that it was unfired when as a teenager I bought it from a hardware store in Saskatoon..
 
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I'm sure that makes some of you cringe.....

I've seen that pic before, at it does make me cringe to an extent. The '41 Johnson has always been a fairly rare rifle, and it quite mechanically interesting. I'm just not sure of what the thought process was behind making that. If it was a beat to p!ss Johnson that needed a new barrel and most of the furniture was already wrecked then... Fine, do what thou wilt.

If it was a Johnson that was even close to being functional, then the fellow who did that should have his head examined. For what he could have gotten for the rifle in original condition, he could have bought a SCAR-H, possibly two.
 
Top to bottom (a very old picture):

unmolested (but used heartily by a young huntin' Camster) AG-42B Ljungmann, Sported #4 (barrel n' lug chopped but pretty wood), m' Dad's vz24. Sporting a hensoldt wetzlar scope. Unmolested VZ24 are about $350 top end in today's market...some of th'finest 98s ever.
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like in anything today there are purists and there are customizers. Most people dont makes a big deal if someone cuts up a 1967 mustang to go 8 seconds down the quarter mile because that's what they wanted to do with that machine, dont like it, too bad. I feel the same way with firearms from any era. It is theirs to do with as they deem fit. If a guy wants to take an original Enfield and cut it up, as much as I may disagree with it, its his to do with as he wishes.
Not my cup of tea, but then again, I'm not drinking it.
 
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