What's with the targets lately?
- Thread starter Jeromeo
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burnt_servo
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- right in the middle of b.c.
here is the problem measuring outside to outside ..... if you shoot a 22 caliber with a 1 " group outside to outside , then shoot a 45 caliber , 1 inch outside to outside .......
the 45 cailber grouping is in actual truth grouping much much smaller due to the different diameter of the bullets not being taken into acount by measuring the outside of the grouping .
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
measure outside to outside then subtract a full calibre , that will give you center to center.
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ultimate_monkey
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- victoria BC
LOL !!! i also said i shot 100, one shot groups... as in i was only messureing a single bullet hole... so if you guys are cool with my method then so am i 
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haha
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Well, I guess you'd have a group average of , what, ZERO??!!LOL !!! i also said i shot 100, one shot groups... as in i was only messureing a single bullet hole... so if you guys are cool with my method then so am i
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burnt_servo
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- right in the middle of b.c.
that is what i was getting at ........ i was just taking the scenic route
burnt_servo
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- right in the middle of b.c.
what gets me is some guys at work will do a 3 shot grouping , 2 shots will be touching , the 3rd a couple inches off .....
then claim their rifle groups on the 2 shot measurement ...... and every time they shoot , 2 are touching , one is a " flier " that doesn't get counted .
and when they are shown a target with 5 shots all touching , no fliers they look at you like you are insane for wasting 2 bullets
then claim their rifle groups on the 2 shot measurement ...... and every time they shoot , 2 are touching , one is a " flier " that doesn't get counted .
and when they are shown a target with 5 shots all touching , no fliers they look at you like you are insane for wasting 2 bullets
Dude, that's exactly what my thread is about.
saskgunowner101
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- near Prince Albert
sure.
If you are only going to shoot 100m than sure, its great.
actually really i should be more front and say its the people doing "ladder" test at 100 & 200y. you need to be at 500 at least to do one properly. I see guys targets with 10 or so rounds all touching each other just about. That gives you no real data and just a ton of room for error.
If you stretch out to 5 or 600m you have a few inches at least between each impact. This will give you ur best results. espically very important for .338lm and rounds the such. Ever do a ladder test with a .338 at 300m and closer? I have, and all 5 rounds were with in a inch n a half. It was a timberwolf. great gun but bad data at that close. with out coloring the bullets simply a bad breath can paint a wrong picture.
when you work up a new load if you start at 500 you will have no problem hitting targets at 1000 with the finished product.
Ever see anyone use a ton of rounds making a load of .308 168gn bullets at 100m than try to shoot 1k? they usually go home frustrated. I used 168gn for example because its not a great 1k round regardless imo.
but summed up, sub .5 moa 100m groups are nice. I just see it to often and not enough of people proving what they can do farther out. and thats what long range shooting is all about.
I should not be able to kick a soccer ball past my target.
If you are only going to shoot 100m than sure, its great.
actually really i should be more front and say its the people doing "ladder" test at 100 & 200y. you need to be at 500 at least to do one properly. I see guys targets with 10 or so rounds all touching each other just about. That gives you no real data and just a ton of room for error.
If you stretch out to 5 or 600m you have a few inches at least between each impact. This will give you ur best results. espically very important for .338lm and rounds the such. Ever do a ladder test with a .338 at 300m and closer? I have, and all 5 rounds were with in a inch n a half. It was a timberwolf. great gun but bad data at that close. with out coloring the bullets simply a bad breath can paint a wrong picture.
when you work up a new load if you start at 500 you will have no problem hitting targets at 1000 with the finished product.
Ever see anyone use a ton of rounds making a load of .308 168gn bullets at 100m than try to shoot 1k? they usually go home frustrated. I used 168gn for example because its not a great 1k round regardless imo.
but summed up, sub .5 moa 100m groups are nice. I just see it to often and not enough of people proving what they can do farther out. and thats what long range shooting is all about.
I should not be able to kick a soccer ball past my target.
tylerjwitty
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Northern Ontario
i agree and take everything off the target and have the target in the middle of a picture!!! i can see one inch blocks to refence size to. i don't even know how to post pictures so you got one up on me
- Location
- Prince Albert, Sk
Apparently some haven't done load development from scratch with many unknown factors considered in.
There have been some load test that I have done that would barely stay on the paper at 200m until you find the right combination.
Gotta start small and work you way up, pretty basic actually, or should I have been shooting at a barn from 1K to fin my grouping during this time??
There have been some load test that I have done that would barely stay on the paper at 200m until you find the right combination.
Gotta start small and work you way up, pretty basic actually, or should I have been shooting at a barn from 1K to fin my grouping during this time??
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The first part of load development is to determine if a given load has the potential to be a long range performer. If your 100 yard group measures 2" are you going to try it again at 500 or a 1000? I accept the idea that some bullets go to sleep for the first few hundred yards, but I don't wast my time with a 2 MOA load at long range.
A group that stays on an 8.5"X11" target at 1200 yards isn't going to look very impressive when posted, but the half MOA group at 100 that you shot first not only looks good on the net, but tells you, the shooter, that it warrants further attention. Besides, extreme long range groups are not a true measure of the rifle/load's accuracy potential. While it is true that sub MOA accuracy is necessary to shoot a tight group at extended ranges; at those ranges the group is not indicative of what the rifle/load is capable of, it is a measure of what the marksman is capable of. In short range benchrest shooting, the idea is to remove the human element from the shooting to the extent possible, but at extended ranges; it is the human element that makes a tight group possible.
If you are talking competitive benchrest, you are mistaken. The equipment gets you on the playing field, the rest is all human element, ie gun handling and wind reading. In short, like all precision rifle competitions, benchrest is a wind reading contest at the end of the day.
