Whats your favorite shooting stance for pistol???
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Case in point about what Slavex is talking about...
-Imagine target centered. Bring up gun. Fire from stance(Weaver and Isoceles).
-Imagine next two targets 45deg, right and left respectively, from straight ahead. Engage targets. (Notice that while keeping feet planted, it is harder to replicate/maintain the same arm muscle tension as body motioned away from center). Do it again with 60 deg deviation.
There are plenty of people who can use Weaver/Modified Weaver effectively and will outshoot many, however it is simple a matter of being difficult to replicate/maintain under varying conditions from a muscular standpoint. Isoceles is easier to do so and the body can act like a turret with much more ease.
Neither is 'better'....better is only determined by how well one shoots. Shooting is not 'necessarily' about who can hold the strongest stances per se.....shooting well is about being consistent. When one is consistent, adjustments can be made for user after....same sighting in.
Generally speaking, I always shoot with two feet on the ground. I will however sometimes use a Karate Kid type stance with one leg elevated and bent at the knee 90 degrees. This I find is the most effective when the paper target is threatening me and I need to reinforce that I am in fact in total control of the situation.
When not using the Karate kid stance, I try to keep my feet at a 10 and 2 position with exactly .76 Meters of separation big toe to big toe. Sometimes, I get a little out of hand and end up using the modified 10-2 with .77 MS (meters separation).
When not using the Karate kid stance, I try to keep my feet at a 10 and 2 position with exactly .76 Meters of separation big toe to big toe. Sometimes, I get a little out of hand and end up using the modified 10-2 with .77 MS (meters separation).
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Yeah, thats my second favorite!!! Thanks guys, it was actually the mod weaver that I was doing
, but great food for thought. I see alot of valid points here. Consider me schooled
Whoa! Lots of crapola being posted about the Weaver stance. Not repeatable? I 'repeat' it every time I shoot (and I shoot a lot). Exposes the armpit? My Second Chance body armor covers both armpit areas quite nicely. Not being taught by 'progressive' agencies? Name a few. I realize shooting stances are a personal decision but nothing is funnier (or sadder) than watching a newbie shooter in an isosceles stance 'climbing' the target since he/she does not have the 'push/pull' control of the handgun. As the late Jeff Cooper would say: 'hits count'.
here is what Todd Jarrett says about Weaver...about 38seconds in.....this man teaches shooting (to LE and serious competitors, including SF and elite ,....and is sponsored by numerous manufacturers to the point it is his living)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3835173712837631089
Todd Jarrett is not a cop; so his teaching is based on supposition; not upon those of us who have 'been there'. I get a kick out of those who claim to have knowledge but have never 'walked the walk'. This clown is eager to express an opinion based on nothing but malarky. Another self-serving idiot...
I am not in law enforcement and I wouldn't presume to try and teach anyone anything in that regard. But I do a lot of shooting too....in competition....which is from where my point of view originates and for what it is intended. When I started IPSC shooting 23 years ago the Weaver stance was what they were teaching in the Black Badge course and it's what I started with. I experimented for years with various measurements including a timer and scoring zones on the targets and a video camera and over time I came to an independent realization that the classic Weaver or Chapman platforms were holding me back in terms of speed and consistency. As I became aware of what was being discovered vis-à-vis shooting technique in the U.S. through Leatham and Enos' experiments, my own discoveries were born out and refined.
There's a reason why no one who wins matches in IPSC consistently uses the Weaver or Chapman platform anymore. Perhaps it is idea in law enforcement, I have no idea. But there's a definite limit to how far you can take it in competition.
So who is good enough,
....someone who has been shot at? You? Those "idiots" as you put it.. at Blackwater bring him in all the time to instruct those "idiots" that they employ to go over seas.......
All those idiots in LE keep paying him to teach them......anyone paying you?
By the way,...I don't know what you consider "been there",...but being a cop or other front line LE does not make you an expert on firearms usage. The numerous times I have "been there" did not make me a more proficient shooter.
LE are for the most part taught firearms usage and requalify each year. The ones that excel practice on their own time, and are open to different points of view about shooting techniques,....those who are not open are doomed to failure when it comes to shooting better.
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I don't think there is any need to insult people is there? A self-trained IPSC pistol World Champion is hardly idiot material in my book. Are law enforcement people the only ones in the entire world how are permitted to have a valid opinion on an issue such as pistol technique? That would be a pretty arrogant attitude, wouldn't it? Especially when LE tends to adopt techniques and technologies once they have been extensively tested and proven in hard competition.
isosceles. But.... I was trained with the vest in mind (Which means yelled at if I used a weaver or any other stance ).
That being said I do practice on my days off and I find the isosceles provides a more stable shooting platform. Which means better repeatability and groups for practice/target shooting.
The other thing to keep in mind, is that police firearms triggers are truly crap. 12-14 pounds double action only for many. You need the most stable shooting position to even be accurate at distance. These firearms are definately not for target shooting or competition.
). That being said I do practice on my days off and I find the isosceles provides a more stable shooting platform. Which means better repeatability and groups for practice/target shooting.
The other thing to keep in mind, is that police firearms triggers are truly crap. 12-14 pounds double action only for many. You need the most stable shooting position to even be accurate at distance. These firearms are definately not for target shooting or competition.
Been in alot of firefights have we? Or are you like the large majority of officers that shoot their 100 requalifing rounds once a year and have NEVER been shot at and likely never will? (This is not a shot at officers that only do this, some just don't have an interest or aren't given adequate time on the clock to practice more... busy busy as many of us are)
Jarrett a self-serving idiot clown?.... OMG you are one funny fellow.
Your holier-then-thou attitude sucks.
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Do you wear a face gaurd for the hot brass?
Maybe you've seen me at the range. I'm the guy with the balaclava.
4 pages and no body's mentioned TURNIPSEED yet- for those who don't know what that is , look it up-but it was taught in the military long before ken turnipseed named it- and at least one old fart that used the teacup method
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There you have it, boys and girls. The pure, ultimate, and perfected expression of your classic, textbook Mall Ninja. You know, that strange species of animal that usually lives in mom and dad's basement, though sometimes the more adventurous ones live by themselves surrounded by posters of women because they can't get any real ones. They usually play a lot of video games, when they're not daydreaming about shooting someone. Sometimes this beast flubs it's way into a profession, sometimes even the police force. They buy a lot of tactical gear, and dress up in it a lot. Sometimes they venture out and play paintball. (It's more real that way...)
Todd Jarrett, step aside. The US and Canadian gov't will ditch you for Mr. Shootshells for sure as soon as they figure out they've got it all wrong.
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