What's your home defence handgun?

Mine's a Glock 20 with 2 fully loaded mags hidden nearby. The gun is held in a retention holster bolted to my nightstand out of sight, with my Edmonton Oilers hat hung over it. On top of the nightstand is a 3-123 cell Xenon Streamlight ready ot go.

All of this is of course, contained in a CFC approved "Storage container" w/ trigger lock in place.

Jeff.
 
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I have an ASP baton in my nightstand and a Cold Steel Brooklyn Crusher beside the bed. There is also a large fixed blade knive under the bed. Firearms are locked in safes in the basement.
 
I'd like to start off my apologizing for the lengthy response on this one. Though I believe heavily in the regulations of safe firearm practice - as well as Canada's legal system - I also carry steadfast in my right to survival. It is true, it is never RIGHT to take the life of another, but I'll always grasp the old "better him than me", no matter how cliched that may be.

Regardless of what is said here, we all know what we would LIKE to do when a threat is present. But if there are criminals so willing to break in and harm me and my family, why are the 'regulators' so intent on letting his happen? What they would like is for the world to be full of outstanding government officials like Michael Bryant, but the truth is, there are people that wish harm upon others, and often get their way.

At 23, perhaps I'm naive, but I don't see it as such. How is it that we are to be stuck between a rock and a hard place, when it's the most sacred of things? Are we to be perpetually damned in a self defense situation? Though the Criminal Code of Conduct has it's words in regards to self-defense, it seems as though they mean nothing.

A guy breaks into my house, I fight him -- I'll probably get charged with assault, and possibly some confinement charge depending on whether or not I restrain him.

A guy breaks into my house with a bat, he attacks me, I stab him -- I will most likely be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, some BS use of force charge, as well as attempted murder.

A guy breaks into my house with a knife, stabs my long-time girlfriend and stabs me, I stab him -- I'm in for a myriad of charges.

A guy breaks in and shoots my roommate, I shot and kill -- I'm done.


I have read through both Criminal Code of Canada, and Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and though it seems that there are several exemptions, I've seen it backfire on so many people...most recently the shop keeper from Chinatown, Toronto.

Perhaps someone with a few years can enlighten me, as well as a few others. I know I'd protect myself and loved ones without hesitation, but I shouldn't have to give up my own life in lieu of someone's poor decisions. Where does this make sense? Thank you all once again.
 
The RCMP does so much background checking on people who apply for their licenses that shouldn't that in itself constitute trust in that individual ? I would prefer to keep my personal sidearm next to my bed, ready to go in case of an emergency (i.e. someone breaks into the house with the intent to steal and/or cause bodily harm to either myself or my family) and suddenly I am a criminal if I attack (even point my firearm unloaded at that person) to convince them otherwise to back off.

The way this is outlined in the criminal code and precedents in the past were determining factors for my declining of going into the police force in Canada. How can I uphold a code that I do not believe in fully ?

Just my two cents worth.
 
Home-defence handgun? Glock-20 in 10mm

...but I personally consider it a backup to the short-barreled 870 12-gauge, 3" magnum 000 loads...

...which is itself only a fail-safe in case the two german shepherds in the other room happen to sleep through the break-in... ideally, they just take care of the problem, and I don't even know about it 'till morning :)
 
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Logic tells me Canadian laws regarding protecting oneself and family are inconsistent with human instinct.

So if I see someone wanting to steal anything from my home, I will try to dissuade him the polite Canadian way.

If someone intends to harm my family, then it is no holds barred. Unfortunately, a firearm will probably not be the means because there will not be enough time to take it from the safe.
 
drvrage said:
If your shot can't penetrate walls, then how do you think it is going to penetrate an intruder and their clothing and ribcage. Wounding an intruder who has gone through all the trouble of breaking into an occupied house is dumb. This person may also be armed. If you shoot you shoot to kill only. Ask the cops why they don't carry birdshot.

HBO: Heavy Buck Only! 0,00,000
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FINALLY....someone who thinks like me. Birdshot if for P*SSIES, and is used for BIRDS:rolleyes: I hear...oh, you dont want the shot going thew walls and bla bla bla...YES I WANT the shot to go thew walls..what if the guy is hidding behind a wall, I want to know that I can send a FURRY of buckshot thew the wall and his head:eek:

Best shotgun load: 12GA 2 3/4 - 00 BUCK - 12 Pellet MAGNUM
Best handgun load: .45 AUTO - 230gr. JHP +P / Hydra Shock HP

And SEVERAL fully-charged magazines & buckshot loads :)

Sleep well my friends, sleep well:cool:
 
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FINALLY....someone who thinks like me. Birdshot if for P*SSIES, and is used for BIRDS:rolleyes: I hear...oh, you dont want the shot going thew walls and bla bla bla...YES I WANT the shot to go thew walls..

Sleep well my friends, sleep well:cool:
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The way my floor plan is and layout, it is most probable that you will have put a .45 hydro-shock through one or both of your sons bodies (children). Well done. I personally have chosen to try and mitigate that risk. Shotgun with #5 it is.

I would be interested in seeing how well you would sleep after shooting one of your own family in an attempt to protect them. I am sure however you will be so very confident that that would never happen TO YOU and you will spout off something equally as impressive as your last post as "one shot, one kill" or something similar.

I can assure you that your allegation of me being a "P*SSY" is fallacious . I'm just practical and prudent, rather than reckless and hot-headed.
 
gwhysow said:
I'd like to start off my apologizing for the lengthy response on this one. Though I believe heavily in the regulations of safe firearm practice - as well as Canada's legal system - I also carry steadfast in my right to survival. It is true, it is never RIGHT to take the life of another, but I'll always grasp the old "better him than me", no matter how cliched that may be.

Regardless of what is said here, we all know what we would LIKE to do when a threat is present. But if there are criminals so willing to break in and harm me and my family, why are the 'regulators' so intent on letting his happen? What they would like is for the world to be full of outstanding government officials like Michael Bryant, but the truth is, there are people that wish harm upon others, and often get their way.

At 23, perhaps I'm naive, but I don't see it as such. How is it that we are to be stuck between a rock and a hard place, when it's the most sacred of things? Are we to be perpetually damned in a self defense situation? Though the Criminal Code of Conduct has it's words in regards to self-defense, it seems as though they mean nothing.

A guy breaks into my house, I fight him -- I'll probably get charged with assault, and possibly some confinement charge depending on whether or not I restrain him.

A guy breaks into my house with a bat, he attacks me, I stab him -- I will most likely be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, some BS use of force charge, as well as attempted murder.

A guy breaks into my house with a knife, stabs my long-time girlfriend and stabs me, I stab him -- I'm in for a myriad of charges.

A guy breaks in and shoots my roommate, I shot and kill -- I'm done.


I have read through both Criminal Code of Canada, and Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and though it seems that there are several exemptions, I've seen it backfire on so many people...most recently the shop keeper from Chinatown, Toronto.

Perhaps someone with a few years can enlighten me, as well as a few others. I know I'd protect myself and loved ones without hesitation, but I shouldn't have to give up my own life in lieu of someone's poor decisions. Where does this make sense? Thank you all once again.
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You have it correct. At the end of the day, all those words written on paper in the Criminal Code, mean nothing, if an individual is intent on causing you or your loved ones harm. An individual has the right to do what is necessary. Will there be ramifications? Yes. So what.

"Death to the aggressor" are the only words you should concern yourself with when in mortal fear for your life or the lives of your loved ones. If you do not display vengeance when protecting yourself, it is reasonable to believe, that no matter what the circumstances proceeded the event, 12 jury members are very unlikely to convict.
 
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The way my floor plan is and layout, it is most probable that you will have put a .45 hydro-shock through one or both of your sons bodies (children). Well done. I personally have chosen to try and mitigate that risk. Shotgun with #5 it is.

I would be interested in seeing how well you would sleep after shooting one of your own family in an attempt to protect them. I am sure however you will be so very confident that that would never happen TO YOU and you will spout off something equally as impressive as your last post as "one shot, one kill" or something similar.

I can assure you that your allegation of me being a "P*SSY" is fallacious . I'm just practical and prudent, rather than reckless and hot-headed.
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What do cops carry? That's right...buck. Cops need to worry about innocents too.

You are not practical and prudent. You are passive in what must be an aggressive enforcement of your personal safety. Pussy is not appropriate as it is name calling, but your actions are weak and poorly rationalized. You put everyone in your home in greater danger as you have escalated the level of violence to the highest point, yet failed to back it up with definitive action.

I don't see you arguing about getting weaker locks on your doors because you're afraid locking your children out when they forget their keys. Your locks need to do one thing defiitively; lock the door.

When you use a gun in self defense, it has one job to do. Stop the attacker immediately. The RCMP who gave the advise about bird shot is a dumbass who forgot to look in his issued shotgun's tubular magazine. He carries buck. The entire police force mandates that he carries buck for a very very good reason.
 
10mm 1911 stored all legally of course. 2 mags full of Black Talons and another couple boxes close by. Used for protecting my family not my property, someone can break in a steal whatever they want.
 
4string said:
Enjoy poverty. After the legal and civil lawsuits are over, you won't have anything left.

Baricade yourself in the room, dial 911 and wait for assistance.

BTW I keep a shotgun in my room, but the above advice still applies.
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Poverty perhaps, but he still stands a better chance of surviving than you do while you wait for the authorities.

TDC
 
surfer365 said:
10mm 1911 stored all legally of course. 2 mags full of Black Talons and another couple boxes close by. Used for protecting my family not my property, someone can break in a steal whatever they want.
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Good point, I wouldn't shoot a thief neither.

All I have is a machete right beside the bed, ain't no one going to break into my place anyway
 
I live in an area where I do not even consider the possibility of a break in. I don't know where all you people live. But honestly when was the last family murdered in your neighborhood? With 50,000+ members on this site I would guess less than ten have had someone killed on their street. Unless it is one of the few hotspots that do exist in a small handfull of cities.

That said if someone came into my house and started to threaten or actually injure or kill my family members I wouldn't hesitate a moment to dispatch the assaliant with the most appropriate tool available. I would probably either take my old side by side with some buck. Or my cz 9mm or whatever was handy.

The thing to remember if you shoot an invader is to state and continue to state. "I feared for my life.". Because the charter allows you to use appropriate force. Yes the intial hassle after the shooting will suck big time and your guns will probably be seized and you may spend some time in jail until it gets to court but once you are there and you get your chance to say I feared for my life and the lives of my family and I shot the intruder because she was trying to kill my wife/daughter/son and me. I don't think you will be convicted by your peers. Though you will still probably get screwed because this is

Canada. You might lose your guns perhaps even permently but at least you and your family are still alive and perhaps your case will set a precedent so the rest of us aren't so f'ed over.
 
drvrage said:
The RCMP who gave the advise about bird shot is a dumbass who forgot to look in his issued shotgun's tubular magazine. He carries buck. The entire police force mandates that he carries buck for a very very good reason.
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This conversation will of course go around in circles for a very long time.

I will guarantee you that a Police Officer that has to discharge his BUCK shot round at a Perp with a second Police Officer officer behind the Perp, just down range, behind a residential wall, the Police Officer will wish they the had #5 rather than BUCK (If they were given the opportunity to chose). That is the situation that I would most likely find myself in, by the nature of my house floor plan and were my family sleeps. If it were different, then I agree with you, Buck would be appropriate. In my situation it is not.
 
It doesn't have to happen on your steet to someone else first before you elect to ensure that your home and family are safe from being the first. There are only 2 types of individuals who feel that you, your family and your home should be defenceless, cops who get a woody over investigating the crime in question, and criminals who have a woody while commiting those crimes.

Edit: Sorry, there is a third type of person, the politition who fears for the life of his or her recidivistic brat who has gone into home invasion to support his drug habit.

Personally I currently have a 16" maple bat that I made, I used to want the satisfaction of beating the f***ing perp into a bloody pulp up close. As I age I am getting lazy and have begun to look for a safe that I can store a short pistol grip 20ga with a full choke and a box of custom made 2" shells loaded with steel shot. As back up my sig 229 sas elite with two magazines of 180gr JHP. Dead perps dont tell lies. When the cops and courts hear about all the evil things that the "intruder" said he was going to do to you and your family before you shot him, it will be obvious that he was an "attacker".

Ahhhh fantasies, well, like a good canadian I have a cell phone and 911. Honest!:D
 
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