When did folks become such recoil wimps?

tokguy said:
My aren't we just a precious lil snowflake.
Hmmm... I thought that I was pretty benign on wording...why, even careful.
Some guys like big powerful stuff. I'm lucky that I get to tool around in big Turbo diesels a lot...got to love that big snorty power. That doesn't make me a fool... I just like rough, powerful stuff. It beats you up sometimes...worth it in my world.
No more than your not liking recoil doesn't make you a P*ssy... that would be rude.
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Benign on wording? What did you think that would achieve? We already know how sensitive these guys are...:)
 
This recoil thing also applies to handguns.

I know guys with .454 Casull, S&W .500s, etc. They don't shoot them much or very well.

I've shot a lot of .44 mag and .357 mag from 4" barrels back in the day. Shot IPSC Major with my 4" M66 for years. Now I'm quite happy with .38 Spl. and .44 Spl. loads, thank you.

Both my wife and I shoot 44-40 in CAS with 200 gr loads against the pop-gun .38s.

I've got several snub nose .357s and I'm not even interested in shooting magnum loads in them. Excessive muzzle blast is not high on my list of favourite things.
 
It's funny...the guys who like big guns, just like them, and generally don't seem to give a rat's ass one way or the other about how the peashooter fans feel.

But the little gun guys? "I don't like them...I don't like recoil...the noise makes my head hurt...and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong!!!"

And the posts keep coming, and coming, and coming..."I've never seen anyone shoot them well!"..."And another thing..."..."Oh, here's something else that proves I'm right!"

And then, the coup de grace: "Well, I used to shoot those...but then I grew up and got smarter! Why don't you?" That one is a particular favourite of mine; sounds like my old anti neighbour in Ontario. She loved to wail about how she shot a .22 once as a kid, which was supposed to make her current anti-gun stance somehow more convincing.

So, try this on for size: big guns are more difficult to shoot than little guns. To state that nobody can shoot them well is unadulterated BS. If you have never seen them shot well, you just haven't been looking in the right places. It's like the long-range guys shooting at 1000 yards. Are they all competent at that range? No, of course not...but some of them have put in the time and the practice and can do it. Are you going to use the same nonsense line of reasoning on them? "I can't do it...I've never seen it done...it must be impossible!"

Good luck with that.
 
Big guns = Men
Little guns = Women
Anything in between = Peoplekind.

Lol

Hey just joking by the way,so please don’t flag me.
 
Hey guys, don't let this thread degenerate into the usual CGN p!ss!ng contest.

It ain't about "mine's bigger than yours." Shelve the egos.
 
I am not recoil shy,I have over the years carried everything from 30-06 to .458 Lott. The one that had the most felt recoil was my T3 in 9.3x62 great rifle to carry but that rifle made me wince.
 
Maybe some of us got older and smarter. Same with ear protection. For the first 20 years I shot rifles ear plugs never even occurred to me. Neither did recoil pads. But at 33 with permanent tinnitus already, I started wearing plugs or muffs or both. My first rifles didn't even have recoil pads, but as I got one or two more rifles starting with a Mosin-Nagant I got a slip-on pad for sighting in at least.
 
Recoil has a far greater effect on the mind than it does on the shoulder.

Rather than "dreading" recoil, begin using visualization techniques to learn to "enjoy" it. Changing your mindset will have a profound impact on your ability to manage recoil... AND still shoot well.

A good way for a .308 shooter to get comfortable with his .375 H&H (or it's runty nephew), is to shoot a .416 or .458 for awhile... or a 3.5" 12 gauge. Going back to the measley .375 and it will feel like a .243 (comparatively).
 
^ Very true.

I must say that I don't dread recoil; I dread CGN threads about recoil.

And, although "dread" is perhaps too strong a word for my feelings about the runty .375 :), there is definitely a bit of...hmmm, how to word this?...mild contempt that arises when I hear the name.
 
Rugdoc said:
Maybe some of us got older and smarter. Same with ear protection. For the first 20 years I shot rifles ear plugs never even occurred to me. Neither did recoil pads. But at 33 with permanent tinnitus already, I started wearing plugs or muffs or both. My first rifles didn't even have recoil pads, but as I got one or two more rifles starting with a Mosin-Nagant I got a slip-on pad for sighting in at least.
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Try 12 years Regular service doing a lot of shooting without issued ear protection. If you wore your own, you were regarded as a prima donna.

This cost the gov't a LOT of money for hearing loss for me and others - $5000 a crack for ear wigs and a healthy one time cash payout.

Once I wore the ear wigs I realized that a lot of what I thought I had been missing wasn't worth hearing in the first place. Was nice to hear leaves rustle, gravel crunch underfoot and hear birdsong.
 
Once I discovered what my 7-08 did on moose, I got pretty comfortable with it when hunting. Still took the 338WM with me in large furry critter country. Off the bench and offhand, I got spoiled with my 32-40, learned a lot with that gun. Going back to the 7-08 and the 338 was a workup after the Schuetzen practice sessions were over. I've bought guns since that were a bit harder on the constitution and some that were just fun to play with. Also bought some guns because they were a deal I couldn't refuse in a cartridge I could use without being handicapped or overgunned so to speak. I've shot a 3" 12ga double with 1-1/4oz loads for last 6 yrs with a wood buttplate while goose hunting, no issues with that, but, love using a 20ga in the same application also. Recoil while out hunting is irrelevant to me, never notice it. But, a 7RM and a 338WM and a 450-400NE isn't generally bought to sit and shoot benchrest with, neither was my 30R Blaser or 300H&H. For bench work I'd rather have some heavier in the gun, and a milder recoiling cartridge suitable for the desired task. No percentage in heavier recoil without a reason for putting up with it for a specific task at hand. But, I still like the stuff I have bought with certain purposes in mind, even if they are all in my mind, and not always used that way.
 
Rugdoc said:
Maybe some of us got older and smarter. Same with ear protection. For the first 20 years I shot rifles ear plugs never even occurred to me. Neither did recoil pads. But at 33 with permanent tinnitus already, I started wearing plugs or muffs or both. My first rifles didn't even have recoil pads, but as I got one or two more rifles starting with a Mosin-Nagant I got a slip-on pad for sighting in at least.
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I love the little reasoning's.
'I got the slip on pad for sighting it in...that's all...'( Myself; I do use a GOOD shooting jacket, til I realise..." It still don't kick that much...)
'The old eye's just ain't what they used to be... had to get a Luepold scope'
I weight 162 lbs dressed. Can't read a book with my glasses on ( eyes still settling down...like a 6.5 x 53 at 150 yds...not stable yet...once it is, then surgery). About half deaf too; hearing enhancers here for sure...who care's?
I still shoot irons pretty good. Good iron's mind you; rear peep.
And I'm lucky that I've never torn up my shoulders. One aft I hammered 80 rounds STAT through an M44 to see how bad it was...it wasn't. Little freckling the next day, learn how to shoot practically...standing, or seated.
Not that there is anything wrong with a 243 or 308; my dad's main gun was a HB Remington 700 in 243 and my Grampa's was a Savage 99 in 308...you know I respect them. Enjoy your Black rifle or 20 lb 6.5 CRM to the fullest.
But please; just say "No thanks, not for me...kicks too much " not " I'm smarter now, not like you."
It's OK to realize it's too much. Just don't make excuses..excuses are... well... excuses. Just say it how it is, majority here will not even react.
Ready?
"I; Tokguy, really don't want shoot a 44 magnum handgun or a 50 BMG bolt action, they kick too much for me most likely"
See how easy that is?
No excuses or calling other folks dumb because I like different things than you.
It's a fun post; roll with it.
You like Golf, I box... you shoot paper at 1000 yds, cool...I can't do that with my 8 x 57. But I can ring plates at 100 yards offhand with it, cool...enjoy what you do.
Don't worry about it so much that you get Butthurt...tease me, if you make it know you are just poking fun, I'll respond in kind.
Call me Dumb, well...I'll respond in kind too.
Stay safe
Tokguy
 
LOL.
Try a braked 338-378 with and without and report back.
Recoil is the same in both cases but effect is far different.
 
It’s when a long shot hunting used to be 300 yards from your 300 win mag or 300 Wby mag and you shot 3-5 shells a year........

To now when most guys like to shoot out to 1000 yards, and to do that consistently and expect a rifle to shoot 1/2” moa, heavy recoiling magnums without a brake are not that favourable or conducive to consistent accuracy,

folks are starting to see you don’t need to burn 80-100grs of powder per shot to do that, pick up a 6.5 CM or 6.5 PRC and your shooting skills just improved immensely and you can spend an afternoon of shooting without a bruised shoulder and a mild concussion, and you don’t mind posting pictures of your targets with a 1” group at 300 yards ;) instead of sneaking your targets into the garbage can when you left the range.
 
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