Where are the High End Bolt 22lr's gone?

I like the full sized rifles too. From the top; a Mauser MS350B Championship rifle. It's a fairly uncommon repeater built in 1936. The next 3 down are Mauser ES340B's all single shots.I think it's tough to beat the 340's for shooting value. Followed my a Mauser Ms420(missing it's mag), Gustloff-Werke 317K(eagle 'N' marked) and a CZ 452 Lux with a Hubertus 2.5x scope. Now I need to find a DSM34 and a KKW.

 
dhw56 said:
I have a Winchester mod 75 sporter, walnut stock,they don't make them like that anymore. It is my favorite.
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That's a very nice rifle. I did considerable shooting with the 75 standard weight model with top of the line aperature sights. At one time I did a lot of three position competetive shooting. This model was ruled out of the sporting class, but I sure won a lot of turkies at turkey shoots with that rifle.
In sporting rifle three position shooting, I used a Winchester model 69A. Some Canadian shooters who earned their way to Bisley England in world class sporting rifle shooting, used only the very modestly priced 69A.
Winchester Model 52 was king of the hill, with models for every type of world class match shooting. The 52 sporter may have been the most expesive 22 sporter on the market, but I don't think it ever got real popular in competition shooting.
 
Mark K that's one impressive display of smallbore mausers!
H4831 my friend, according to Gun Collector's Digest, Third Edition (1980?) in 1930 the ES350b sold for $60 and the Winchester Model 52 sold for $44.50.
The irony is, during international competition often the Winchester rifles beat out the Mausers in the hands of competant shooters.
This is an excellent thread fellas, I'm learning alot from other enthusiasts here.

Cheers.......
 
Mark you keep bring up such nice rimfires, I need your MS350B repeater! I should have bought the one at Accuracy that was mint last year!!!!

JohnTo the Zastavas are actualy great gun for the price! They use to make very high quality training Mauser style rifles, I have one that I shoot with open sights to 200 yards with standard target ammo!

The Winchester 75 sporter is all class! If you ever get the chance to won one, you will no what I am talking about!! Dale Z!
 
Brutus said:
Mark K that's one impressive display of smallbore mausers!
H4831 my friend, according to Gun Collector's Digest, Third Edition (1980?) in 1930 the ES350b sold for $60 and the Winchester Model 52 sold for $44.50.
The irony is, during international competition often the Winchester rifles beat out the Mausers in the hands of competant shooters.
This is an excellent thread fellas, I'm learning alot from other enthusiasts here.

Cheers.......
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There may have been a class of the Winchester 52 selling in 1930, for $44.50.
But here was my statement on cost.--"The 52 sporter may have been the most expesive 22 sporter on the market,---"
The sporter model didn't come out until after WW2.
 
Ben Winchester started making Winchester model 52B Sporters around 1940, remember the US was not at full war effort till later on than us here in Canada. I am not sure when they stoped but must have been around only 1 to 2 years production till all commercial guns were stopped being produced. An Before that the rare Winchester model 52A that were built aprox. 1937-40, One thing with Winchesters never say never, you could have whatever you wanted built if you had the money and were friends of the company! cheers Dale Z!
 
Walther KKJ-T,Sport Model Match

The High end 22's are still out there! I just sold a Walther KKJ-T to a very happy CGN'er on the rimfire EE. sometimes you have to look very hard at the postings because people don't always no exactly what they have, me included. THANKS ALEX FOR BEING SO HONEST and being willing to share your info so we could come to a fair deal for both of us. Dean
 
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I currently have the privilage of a 1958 vintage winny 75 in my hands and have run it at the range. Impressive with ragged holes at 50m with fed gold eagles, not even the good stuff. Also impressive is the wood they used back then. I am restoring the piece and the oil finish I am applying is working wonders on it. What a great piece to work with. You find one... you buy it!
 
A few more from my little stable.

Suhl 150,
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or Walther GX-1
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or Annie 54
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Annie is spoken for, Walther may soon be on the block. Suhl is going too.
 
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zywina said:
DO NOT encourage CZ to keep making these CZ 455's, you are getting ripped off in quality compared to there 452/453 line of rimfire rifles!
If you look at them the magazine system sucks, the take down system sucks!
You are paying the same price as the 452's and getting a cheaper gun for the same money! Does this make sence?

If I were to buy a new gun it would be a CZ 452 or a Weatherby/ANNIE bolt action! The next step up would be a basic Cooper!

It is funny how most will pay good money for there big game gun, but refuse to spend more than $300 on a rimfire! I know I shoot alot ,and I must say I use my rimfires all year long, and only use my moose/deer/target centre fire guns for maybe 5 months of the year?

Please keep posting your amazing pictures of your RIMFIRES, thanks agin Dale Z!:)
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I'm not sure how you formulated your less than favourable observations of the new 455's compared to the 452's but I'll set you straight on a couple things.

The barrel change implimentation has been used by MANY top notch firearms makers with no noticable difference in accuracy if its done right...and on the 455's its done right. Gone are the ugly machining marks from dull tools on breech face, receiver and other parts as commonly seen on 452's.
Also, bluing and finish on the barrels are much more consistant on the 455's. No more drag marks from the bolt on the stock because of poor fit. Receiver is still billet machined as the 452 was except now the back tang area is beefier. Two lugs on the 452 were unnecesary for a rimfire and only pose additional problems if they are not lapped to match. Two action screws and a free floating barrel is a much better method of attachment and for tuning (torque) than the 1 screw and barrel lug combination of the 452's. (both can shoot well once tuned but the 455's are easier to tune from my experience)

I have a 455 heavy barrel varmint with thumbhole stock that will out shoot every 452 thats gone against it at our range. .25-.35" 50 yrd groupings with match ammo is pretty regular if I do my part on a quiet day.

I'm not really knocking the 452's as I've owned a couple of them and shot many others and they are a good value for the money but...my 455 will shoot circles around them and is much better built. Plastic magazines ore none issue with this rifle, in fact many people have more issues with the metal ones for either model from what I've been hearing.

Best of all, I got 3 calibers of choice to shoot for the expense of less than half the cost of the rifle with one barrel extra.
 
Super Sport 5

Hi Dale,

Here is one you don't see too often and I have found to be underrated. It was made around 1950, the rear sight is a Redfield 75 and the front is a Parker Hale with 12 inserts. The trigger must have been done by someone very talented and the rifle was rumoured to be owned by a Pan Am games medal winner. It is a beaut in my eyes and a joy to shoot. :)

T&L

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This thread needs a bump

Really like the older high quality made rimfires as well.
Here are my Mauser MS350B repeaters, 2 of 8613 ever made.
Look pretty good for 1934 and 1935 built rifles. The one with the diopter will shoot MOA at 100yards!
Yes, the barrels are indeed long - 26.75"

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Beautiful Mauser 350's I foolishly past on a mint one from Accurracy about 1.5 years ago, damm!
I am still awaiting my full custom Cooper 57 from Clay, will post when it gets here, cheers Dale Z!
 
zywina said:
DO NOT encourage CZ to keep making these CZ 455's, you are getting ripped off in quality compared to there 452/453 line of rimfire rifles!
If you look at them the magazine system sucks, the take down system sucks!
You are paying the same price as the 452's and getting a cheaper gun for the same money! Does this make sence?

If I were to buy a new gun it would be a CZ 452 or a Weatherby/ANNIE bolt action! The next step up would be a basic Cooper!

It is funny how most will pay good money for there big game gun, but refuse to spend more than $300 on a rimfire! I know I shoot alot ,and I must say I use my rimfires all year long, and only use my moose/deer/target centre fire guns for maybe 5 months of the year?

Please keep posting your amazing pictures of your RIMFIRES, thanks agin Dale Z!:)
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Zywina, you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. The 455 is a better rifle hands down than most any 452 that came out from CZ. Tighter machining tolerances, squared off beefed up tang and receiver, two action screws/free floated barrel, no lapping or matching of dual lugs needed, no more skip lines of machining on bolt face or breach face, better mating in the stock to action fit. The barrel attachment is first rate, it is not pinned. I get back within 2 MOA on my 2 different barrels when changing. The dual set screws position the barrel stub back and up against the receiver face by way of angled flats. Machining is nicer, fit is much nicer in the stock and the triggers are the same. The magazine system is designed to facilitate the use of several different calibers. Obviously a spacer system is needed when shooting 22 wmr and 22 lr from the same rifle...no issues with this sytem, it functions flawlessly. Only the iron sights on the one model of 455 seems to have had complaints of coming up short compared to the same 452 model.

I have several 452's and they are not slouches on paper with them shooting around 1/2" @ 50 yrds but my 455 THV has a PMTJ trigger job that gets a clean break at about 22 oz and shoots .2-.3" all day long with good ammo at 50 yrds.
 
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I am just heading out for 3 days in WMU 234 with my .270. But upon return I want to get focused on a .22. Retirement is here and if I can get into a range I would like to get more into .22s.

This thread is very interesting. I know very little about .22s. I have a Winchester model 68 single shot that my brother bought from his dentist for $2 many moon ago and have shot that a few times. I also bought a decade back a Fabrique Nationale SA 22 (Browning), the one with the narrow/slim forestock. Have never fired it.

Next summer I will use the SA-22 but I would also like to get a quality piece, probably bolt action. I did look at Browning levers, but they may not offer the same potential to grow into the sport as would an older walnut blued bolt 22. If I went to a lever I might try to find an old Marlin 39A. But bolt action may be best.

Any advice as to what to lean to will be most welcome. Probably something older with aperture sights would be of greatest interest to me. Thank you.
 
Well, this may not exactly qualify as "High End" for some, but for me it's the jewel of my .22 collection. Accurate and good looking as well.

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Enfield No8 Mk1
 
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