Where is this headed?

Why would the gov't be afraid of armed citizens? You mean they'd screw us over even more if not afraid of revolt?
 
When they did this in 1978/1995, not one supported the people who were loosing out.
Now everyone is loosing out, it becomes an issue.
Sitting on the fence was what the Liberal's were counting on, and they were right
 
I remember C68 years ago. This will go the same. People will make a fuss, but ultimately will be parted with their property unjustly. A couple diehards will make a fuss and do some jail time. But people would rather sell out a little freedom to avoid a total loss of freedom.

I wonder if we could apply to the US as refugees fleeing cruel and unfair government.
 
Ralph said:
Billy boy clearly said they would prohibit military style weapons by order in council. I have some very bad news for you if you think you can challenge this in court. You can not. Orders in council can not be challenged in any court. They are a throwback to the time of the divine right of kings to rule the peasants. The firearms act clearly gives the power to prohibit firearms, devices etc. to the governor in council. (Julie) So whether you like it or not their intent is to shove this down our throats while totally avoiding any tie ups in parliament or the courts. He also said military style weapons not just rifles. This opens up the real possibility that all those nice semi-auto shotguns used in 3 gun competitions will be gone along with a bunch of other firearms. If they follow the NZ example they will also ban ownership of any significant part of a banned firearm.
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply. OIC's are riciculous. Wtf
 
Pocisk said:
Not to be the depressing type but I wouldn't think any of those clauses would apply. An OIC is not a CFO or registrar making a decision or refusal, and (C) is totally irrelevant. Having said that, I'm not a lawyer and hope I'm wrong.
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You're probably right. In any event the government could include a clause in in the confiscation legislation that section 74 is not applicable.
 
Does anyone know a good source of stastics on gun violence, vis a vis, how many of various types of firearms are used in crime and whether they were legally obtained etc? Do the firarms organizations have these statistics? Do the police? That sort of information would be really helpful in mounting opposition to a pointless and expensive buyback.
 
Agenda 21, Agenda 2030

You guys should watch the Hollywood movie "In Time" starring Justin Timberlake. This movie portrays what our future will become.
 
If you are old enough to have lived through the "purges" in the 70's and 90's . You should be able to recall no amount of #####ing , whining , and complaining accomplished anything. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the average NON gun owner in Canada really had no opinion on the matter , good or bad and Liberal Gov.'s did as they felt necessary.
We are now faced with an average NON gun owner being convinced that the media and Gov. are correct and acting in their best interest . Whether that is true or fact based is irrelevant. The average Canadian is anti-gun.
Furthermore the average Canadian will not address the fact that immigration MAY be a contributing factor . They also will not accept that Criminals of all types will not be stopped by additional gun laws foisted upon the Non Criminal gun owner . ADDITIONALLY and more importantly most of these statements would be dismissed as Bigoted, Slanted, Uninformed, Anti-Social and whatever else is the latest media tag.
AND if you are that old , you are also aware Liberals have enacted these "changes" whenever they were in power . followed by Conservatives who did NOTHING to reverse or rectify the situation when in power . AND DO NOT MENTION the destruction of the Long Gun Registry as we all know Harper's request to do so went UNHEADED , and the data still exists in various forms with various Governments.
AND if you are that old you really do know YOU let your children and their children grow up and be educated by the same people who are now seeing their 50 year plan coming to fruition.
The reason we are in this jackpot is WE let it happen and this Old Dude , Boomer , Fudd , and whatever other derogatory label you can hang on me has supported with Time and Money any and all Gun Organizations for the last 50 years to avoid this very day.
I wish US all luck but "they" know where my guns are ( as I am a Legal Gun Owner ) and when they come for them they will get them .
 
Here is the wake up call WE NEVER HAD THE RIGHT TO ARM OURSELVES, we had the privilege to use firearms for sport hunting, collection purposes and target/sports shooting. Our constitution never supported such a right. This is not the US. Our licenses allowed us to acquire and posses not the right to actually to own, the Crown allowed us and now it’s not.
Correct or not, good or evil, every Canadian firearm holder is on borrowed time. It is an exemption to the Canadian Criminal Code visa vi the Firearm act to exemplify you to acquire and possess and the Liberal government and whoever else with the majority of Canadians do not value firearm ownership and sees its as a safety issue. It’s not logical but they are very serious.
The more I see the negativity towards it makes me wonder why I’d wanted to be targeted for something so stupid. I am pro gun but I am not for pro stupidity.
Majority of Canada is against firearms. Get over it.
It’s been in the works for years and it’s not the only issue out there being misrepresented.
Being a professional and working with the public I am not going to violate my future and possible criminal investigation over a piece of metal and plastic because of its military resemblance. Nope. It’s already an expensive hobby. I am not to pay more than the price tag already paid.
I am saddened by the loss and the effect to the industry but it’s time to wake up.
PS you have the right to disagree but perhaps you need to focus in seeking appropriate legal direction if you oppose the government’s actions and count the cost. I cannot see to much sympathy from the public, courts or government. What happened in 1978 or 1995 holds little bearing for today. The Pro gun lobby is being dissolved by all the parties in power. They are not stupid.
 
Ugh, i literally feel sick to my stomach after watching that horse ####! The reporter screeching about the mini-14 really sounded like she was sporting a massive justice boner. I guess no one thinks there's even a hint of a chance that a new grandfather class will come out of this eh? I think focusing on what this useless effort will cost needs to be front and center. The "hardware" buy-back cost would be a drop in the bucket compared to the associated administrative costs. We all know how efficient the Canadian Govt. is when it comes to sweeping/controversial projects.
 
powerbench said:
Here is the wake up call WE NEVER HAD THE RIGHT TO ARM OURSELVES, we had the privilege to use firearms for sport hunting, collection purposes and target/sports shooting. Our constitution never supported such a right. This is not the US. Our licenses allowed us to acquire and posses not the right to actually to own, the Crown allowed us and now it’s not.
Correct or not, good or evil, every Canadian firearm holder is on borrowed time. It is an exemption to the Canadian Criminal Code visa vi the Firearm act to exemplify you to acquire and possess and the Liberal government and whoever else with the majority of Canadians do not value firearm ownership and sees its as a safety issue. It’s not logical but they are very serious.
The more I see the negativity towards it makes me wonder why I’d wanted to be targeted for something so stupid. I am pro gun but I am not for pro stupidity.
Majority of Canada is against firearms. Get over it.
It’s been in the works for years and it’s not the only issue out there being misrepresented.
Being a professional and working with the public I am not going to violate my future and possible criminal investigation over a piece of metal and plastic because of its military resemblance. Nope. It’s already an expensive hobby. I am not to pay more than the price tag already paid.
I am saddened by the loss and the effect to the industry but it’s time to wake up.
PS you have the right to disagree but perhaps you need to focus in seeking appropriate legal direction if you oppose the government’s actions and count the cost. I cannot see to much sympathy from the public, courts or government. What happened in 1978 or 1995 holds little bearing for today. The Pro gun lobby is being dissolved by all the parties in power. They are not stupid.
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Actually, yes we did!

The Turds father Pierre made sure we lost that right. In addition, our forefathers died fighting for our rights in WW-1 and WW-2. This tyrannical government is making a mockery of the rights we use to have that so many gave their lives for.

So we stand back and do nothing? How far will this go? Or, are the Liberal bag-lickers just testing the waters?

Time will tell......:(
 
Thunderhog said:
Actually, yes we did!

The Turds father Pierre made sure we lost that right. In addition, our forefathers died fighting for our rights in WW-1 and WW-2. This tyrannical government is making a mockery of the rights we use to have that so many gave their lives for.

So we stand back and do nothing? How far will this go? Or, are the Liberal bag-lickers just testing the waters?

Time will tell......:(
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With all do respect sir read the Criminal Code or ask a lawyer, it’s illegal to posses or own a firearm in Canada. Period.

Your PAL/RPAL is a conditional exemption as determined by the Firearm ACT. Those laws are the results in which our forefathers fought for, in which I agree.
Remember you taking the course for your license? That was the condition you needed to fulfill and pass. Then you need CFO / RCMP approval and screening. That’s another condition. And remember it can be revoked if the conditions aka legislation changes or even if they see you unfit. They don’t even have to determine your legal rights.
They could even determine you mentally unfit under the Canadian Mental Health ACT as a threat to yourself. Your family could even get a court order against you. So be careful what you wish for. Ranting about guns could be misinterpreted in the wrong company.
Threaten the government they could potentially take manifold actions. They could easy label noncompliance as a public safety or even a mental health issue if they had supporting data. I would not want to test their will. Just saying.

Firearm ownership is not a constitutional right, or every Canadian would own a firearm unconditionally. Tyrannical or not this is not 1776 or 1812. Enough said from my end. I am not a lawyer but I have seen other things over the years, for what it’s worth ...2 c.
 
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We're all chattel, and the UN is gunning to be the world police...

Justin T is their lapdog. This country had been destroyed from the inside.

I'll stop
 
RK99 said:
Does anyone know a good source of stastics on gun violence, vis a vis, how many of various types of firearms are used in crime and whether they were legally obtained etc? Do the firarms organizations have these statistics? Do the police? That sort of information would be really helpful in mounting opposition to a pointless and expensive buyback.
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Statistics Canada keeps really good track of freaking EVERYTHING...

Here is just a start,


https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-005-x/2018001/article/54962-eng.htm
 
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