If you plan on ANY aftermarket parts, & factor in those costs,($8-900) I would seriously take a look at a Non-Restricted Beretta CX 4 Storm. $1000-$1100 New.(Ya, a little higher Overall) May find lower on the EE. BUT really 10 x the gun & it already includes 2 mags & all the rails you would ever need! .. Just an option. for the literal price difference, you would be doing yourself a favor Compared to a sub 2000!
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The EE has at least 2 Ive seen recently
Sub2000 doesn't need all the silly aftermarket parts. Mine has a $30 rubber tube cheek rest from Tacticool and a home made bottom rail for an AFG and that's all it's going to get. Quadrails are for GiJoe wanna-be's and does nothing for the rifle other than make it heavy. How much crap does a person need to hang off their gun anyway?
Everyone complains about the sights but they work and I can hit pop cans at 50yds with them so they are good enough for me.
10x the gun? Maybe 2-3x, maybe even 5x just to avoid an argument, but the sub2000 goes bang every time and is surprisingly accurate, it's non restricted and folds into a backpack. What more do you need?
Would I trust my life to it? No. Do I have fun with it for very little cost? Yes.
To me I don't see the point in having an expensive pistol caliber carbine, I had a Vector for a while then realized that it didn't do anything I couldn't do better with a different rifle. It was fairly cheap to shoot when I ran reloads but it just didn't do it for me. The Sub2000 is the same but instead of $2400 into it I have just over $600. I can live with that.
If I was going to spend $1000 on a NR PCC I would probably be looking at the TD, it's offered in more calibers and sounds like it's a good little carbine.
One of these days I hope to be at the range when someone there has a CX-4 for me to try though, I've always been a little interested in them.
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I got mine for $999 New from a site sponsor, & I picked it up, so no shipping, I Do like the Kel Tec - for $500,I will probably buy one(if found), $600 Plus tax(only One mag)..so almost $700 new..cost of extra mag 40ish...for what you get, Apples to Apples, The CX 4 Storm, you COULD bet your life on! for only a few hundred more, stock to stock price.. & the Kel Tec stock config. has way less options, pretty plain Jane-ish, but yes, it does fold.
I got mine for $999 New from a site sponsor, & I picked it up, so no shipping, I Do like the Kel Tec - for $500,I will probably buy one(if found), $600 Plus tax(only One mag)..so almost $700 new..cost of extra mag 40ish...for what you get, Apples to Apples, The CX 4 Storm, you COULD bet your life on! for only a few hundred more, stock to stock price.. & the Kel Tec stock config. has way less options, pretty plain Jane-ish, but yes, it does fold.
Thanks guys for all the reply's really got me thinking , the main reason why I wanted the sub 2000 was cause it folded great for back packing ! I'll have to check out the cx4.
Don't let people sway you from what you want. Sub2k's come in 9mm and .40, haven't read about many buying the .40.
If you want a higher quality pistol carbine, a JR Carbine is a real improvement, at $899 retail or used on the EE. JRC's take all AR15 accessories and hardware too. 1st batch of NR CX4's are sold out and the next batch is $1100 + tax. CX4 is a good rifle, but it's $500 more than what you are looking at. Same guy up there is badmouthing Sub2k's all over CGN... I have a Sub2k (Sig 226 mags/I own a 226) and it's flawless.
https://alflahertys.com/product_det...L&searchString=jr carbine&uid=2560&page_num=0
Here's a link to the JRC:
https://alflahertys.com/product_det...L&searchString=jr carbine&uid=1192&page_num=0
Buy whatever you like, non-restricted pistol carbines are just plain fun. Good luck.