Where to store firearm!?!?!

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I am new to all this and have just ordered my first firearm. To my dismay my father told me I was not allowed to store the firearm in my house. I have two questions. My first is am I allowed to store my firearm in my car (properly locked in the case with trigger lock and ammunition stored separately) or is that not allowed. Also are there storage places withing the GTA that allow you to store firearms in them. I am on the waiting list to get into a firearms club and my first course starts in feb. I will store my firearms there once I am accepted but what can I do in the meantime. Thank you for your help.
 
If it is a non restricted firearm, You could store it virtually anywhere as long as the regulations are followed. Your car would be a reasonably secure location to store it although I would be very careful about letting anyone know where it is especially given your location.
 
rookieuser said:
I am new to all this and have just ordered my first firearm. To my dismay my father told me I was not allowed to store the firearm in my house. I have two questions. My first is am I allowed to store my firearm in my car (properly locked in the case with trigger lock and ammunition stored separately) or is that not allowed. Also are there storage places withing the GTA that allow you to store firearms in them. I am on the waiting list to get into a firearms club and my first course starts in feb. I will store my firearms there once I am accepted but what can I do in the meantime. Thank you for your help.
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A car is legally fine and so is a storage locker (Non-restricted). Don't let people know where you keep it, like others have said.
 
You need to cancel that order and wait till you have a proper place for it. A storage charge today will ruin decades of fun in the future. If someone is so against firearms that they wont live with one locked in a safe then there is no telling what other misinformed idea they might come up with. Do you really think they will like having a firearm in the driveway any more then in the basement????

Maybe they have a legitimate reason for not wanting it in the house??
 
To quote the official regulations for storage of a non-restircted;

Firearm: Unloaded & Trigger locked/Bolt or bolt carrier removed - OR - Unloaded & In a locked room, container or recepticle.
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In other words, your car is fine as long as it's out of site and cannot be shot. I'd keep the bolt in your house, and if there is not bolt, keep it trigger locked in the car
 
Yogi05 said:
A car is NOT fine. It's neither a room, container, or receptacle. Cases already tried on this.
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Yogi not to go barking up the wrong tree, but based on the quotes which i pulled from my CFSC book (i found it so i could answer the question), as long as it cannot be shot (trigger locked etc) it is ok for storage, a locked "container receptable or room" does not by any means say "car" but with the legal system a trunk could be classified as a "not easily broken into compartment that can be locked"

All in all, yes a car is fine
 
Just put it in a storage locker and don't pay the rent for 3 months! I'll come when they auction it and pick it up for a fraction of the price! Problem solved!

<3 Storage Wars <3
 
jeringate said:
Just put it in a storage locker and don't pay the rent for 3 months! I'll come when they auction it and pick it up for a fraction of the price! Problem solved!

<3 Storage Wars <3
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Unfortunately you wouldn't be able to keep it haha, legally you are required to report it to the CFC that you found it... as long as the LGR is around at least, if it were gone you could "ignorance is bliss" it and just put it in your safe haha.

And ps... auction hunters all the way.
 
Burt0n said:
Yogi not to go barking up the wrong tree, but based on the quotes which i pulled from my CFSC book (i found it so i could answer the question), as long as it cannot be shot (trigger locked etc) it is ok for storage, a locked "container receptable or room" does not by any means say "car" but with the legal system a trunk could be classified as a "not easily broken into compartment that can be locked"

All in all, yes a car is fine
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I'm heading out in a few, otherwise I'd love to go at this. There has already been court cases that determined if it is in a car it is considered in transit, or in an unattended vehicle (which has a few of it's own rules). Definitions of containers (as opposed to compartments - to bandy words) is always an argument, but this has all been determined before.

The first case that comes to mind was a woman who left her rifle in her car after returning from hunting. I forget if a domestic situation developed, but whatever the cause she ended up charged with improper storage. The judge decided that sufficient time had passed between her returning home and "the incident" for her to move the gun to proper storage. A car did not constitue proper storage.

Canlii (a law website that is cunsulted by lawyers for precedence in cases) will show more cases, including the one I mentioned I believe.

This is it;

You may not be iterested enough to read the whole thing. If not, pay attention to paragraph 20 and the final sentance of paragraph 22.

This case by the way was considered by some to be wrongly decided.

HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN V. LORRIE MILDRED FEDERUIK


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The undisputed evidence of the defendant was that she had been hunting between approximately 3:00 P.M. and 5:30 P.M. that day, and upon her return to her residence, had parked her vehicle in the driveway. Her vehicle, a 1990 Dodge Shadow, was a hatchback, that is, it had no trunk. She locked the rifle in the back of her car, wrapped up the rifle so that no one would see it, and put the magazine in the console. The gun was not loaded.

The defence argues that the defendant, having been hunting earlier in the day, was entitled to leave her firearm in the vehicle for a reasonable period, prior to returning it to the storage cabinet in the house. Additionally, the defence argues that the way that the gun was lodged in the vehicle was in compliance with regulations that deal with the storage and transportation of firearms, and further questions whether or not the firearm was “stored”, as charged, or “transported”, as also referred to in section 86.

The Crown argues that this is not a case of transportation of a firearm in a vehicle, as the defendant had ample time to put the firearm back into safe and secure storage. As well, the Crown argues that the manner in which the firearm was left in the vehicle was such as to be careless, based on the facts, and that therefore the charge is made out.

Each counsel takes the view that I can refer to the regulations (in this case, the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations SOR 98-209) as a framework to assist in determining an appropriate standard for storing or transporting firearms. That was the approach taken in Blanchard and is an approach that I will incorporate in deciding this case.

[16] Dealing firstly with whether or not the rifle was being “stored” or “transported”, I find that
the firearm was stored, albeit temporarily. The defendant’s evidence is that she was hunting earlier that day, and returned at approximately 5:30 P.M. The complaint to the police, made by the defendant’s daughter, was received at 9:22 P.M., almost four hours later. There was ample time in the interim for the defendant to take the firearm from the car, and return it to secure storage in the house. The fact that she elected to wrap the rifle in clothes, to make it less visible to passers-by, supports my view that she deliberately elected not to return the firearm to the house, opting instead to store the rifle in her vehicle.

[17] In R. v Carlos, 2002 SCC 35 (CanLII), [2002] 2 S.C.R. 411, the Supreme Court allowed a Crown appeal, and entered convictions on one count of careless storage of a firearm under section 86(1), and two counts of contravention of the regulations. In that case, the defendant had testified that he had taken three guns out of his safe to clean them, had loaded them, and was then interrupted by the arrival of the police, who were at his home to execute a search warrant. He hid the guns, and was acquitted at trial, an acquittal that was upheld on appeal, on the basis that he had not “stored” the guns. In allowing a further Crown appeal and entering convictions, the Supreme Court noted that “...there is no requirement that...the accused plan a long-term or permanent storage”. (see para 3). As Ryan, J.A. noted in the dissenting Court of Appeal judgment in Carlos:

A firearm has been “stored” when it has been put aside and the accused is not making any immediate or present use of it. There is no need to establish that the firearm has been put aside for a “lengthy period”. Such a requirement is ambiguous, and does not provide any guidance as to when “use” has ended and “storage” has begun.

[18] Was that storage careless? The regulations respecting storage of a non-restricted firearm (which this rifle is) state:
5. (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if
(a)it is unloaded;
(b)it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,
(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or
(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

(c)it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.

[19] The relevant portion of the regulations dealing with the transportation of non - restricted firearms state:

10. (1) An individual may transport a non-restricted firearm only if

(a)except in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, it is unloaded; and

(b)in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, its firing cap or flint is removed.

(2) Subject to subsection (3), an individual may transport a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle only if

(a)when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and

(b)when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the non-restricted firearm, is securely locked.

[20] On the evidence, the defendant was not in compliance with the regulations as to storage. There is no evidence that there was any type of locking device on the rifle, and the evidence from each of Cst. Eagan and the defendant is that the bolt was not removed from the rifle. A vehicle is not any of a “container, receptacle or room”, and in any event, the vehicle was not securely locked and constructed so that it could not readily broken into; one could simply break the window of the vehicle to gain entry. The ammunition was readily available in the console.

[21] The defendant relies on that portion of the regulations that deal with transportation of a non-restricted firearm, but for the reasons given, I have concluded that the firearm was stored, with the result that section 10 of the regulations is not applicable. To the extent that section 10 can be relied on to objectively assess the standard of care exhibited by the defendant, I note that the vehicle could not in any event be “securely locked”.

[22] Unless I am satisfied that the conduct of the defendant exhibited a “marked departure” of the standard of a reasonably prudent person in the circumstances of the defendant, I must acquit her. In this case, the defendant knew that she had an operable firearm, and ammunition for that firearm, in a locked hatchback car. Whereas she did take some steps to conceal the firearm, a reasonable person, in assessing the potential risk of the vehicle being broken into, and the serious consequences that could arise if the firearm and ammunition were stolen, would have adverted to that risk, and returned the firearm to a safe location. Instead of doing that, the defendant started drinking almost immediately after returning from her hunting trip. On these facts, I am satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that the conduct of the defendant displayed a marked departure from that of a reasonably prudent person in the circumstances, and I find her guilty of count 1.
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Yogi05 said:
I'm heading out in a few, otherwise I'd love to go at this. There has already been court cases that determined if it is in a car it is considered in transit, or in an unattended vehicle (which has a few of it's own rules). Definitions of containers (as opposed to compartments - to bandy words) is always an argument, but this has all been determined before.

The first case that comes to mind was a woman who left her rifle in her car after returning from hunting. I forget if a domestic situation developed, but whatever the cause she ended up charged with improper storage. The judge decided that sufficient time had passed between her returning home and "the incident" for her to move the gun to proper storage. A car did not constitue proper storage.

Canlii (a law website that is cunsulted by lawyers for precedence in cases) will show more cases, including the one I mentioned I believe.

This is it;

You may not be iterested enough to read the whole thing. If not, pay attention to paragraph 20 and the final sentance of paragraph 22.

This case by the way was considered by some to be wrongly decided.
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I'd love to go on all night too, however i made an educated statement based on the information I had available without scouring the interwebs for a court case to prove my point.

There will always be precedence for almost any situation if you read into it enough.
 
rookieuser said:
Where to store firearm!?!?!
I am new to all this and have just ordered my first firearm. To my dismay my father told me I was not allowed to store the firearm in my house. I have two questions. My first is am I allowed to store my firearm in my car (properly locked in the case with trigger lock and ammunition stored separately) or is that not allowed. Also are there storage places withing the GTA that allow you to store firearms in them. I am on the waiting list to get into a firearms club and my first course starts in feb. I will store my firearms there once I am accepted but what can I do in the meantime. Thank you for your help.
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rookieuser said:
I am new to all this and have just ordered my first firearm. To my dismay my father told me I was not allowed to store the firearm in my house. I have two questions. My first is am I allowed to store my firearm in my car (properly locked in the case with trigger lock and ammunition stored separately) or is that not allowed. Also are there storage places withing the GTA that allow you to store firearms in them. I am on the waiting list to get into a firearms club and my first course starts in feb. I will store my firearms there once I am accepted but what can I do in the meantime. Thank you for your help.
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Shouldn't have said anything. Do you pay any rent? or do you lease? If so, start paying rent, then you don't have to ask permission. If it was me? I would say O.K. I changed my mind.

PLUS, we need to drop this "central storage" or storage at the range as acceptable. It is NOT. It is only helping the Anti's, and they need no further help from us. Your property should be where ever you are, or where ever you want it.
 
Burt0n said:
I'd love to go on all night too, however i made an educated statement based on the information I had available without scouring the interwebs for a court case to prove my point.

There will always be precedence for almost any situation if you read into it enough.
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Of course. The trick is being able to remember there is a judgement somewhere on a particular topic if you're going to counter someone's comments (in general - not neccessarrily in this post).

I am not totally comfortable using that case as an example, but it suited me at the moment and it only took me an hour to find it :) here on CGN. There was a LOT of discussion on that one. If it hadn't been for the last line I might have put it out of my mind. I don't believe this was precedent-setting, but it may be used for another judge to make a decision.

To the OP........ I won't even leave my wallet or anything else of value in a car over night whether it's legal to do so or not. Cars are broken into all the time by even pre-teens looking to raid the change cubby, or to steal CD's. I wouldn't want a firearm disappearing under such stupid circumstances.

My suggestion would be to have a chat with your father as to why he's so set against a gun in the house, while proving it will be stored securely with no danger of accidents, and according to law.
 
sorry..but

"To my dismay my father told me I was not allowed to store the firearm in my house"

Son, there's the problem. its not your house. Until you have a house of your own, you live by other peoples rules. then, once you get your own house, you're good to go until you get married....then......


rookieuser said:
I am new to all this and have just ordered my first firearm. To my dismay my father told me I was not allowed to store the firearm in my house. I have two questions. My first is am I allowed to store my firearm in my car (properly locked in the case with trigger lock and ammunition stored separately) or is that not allowed. Also are there storage places withing the GTA that allow you to store firearms in them. I am on the waiting list to get into a firearms club and my first course starts in feb. I will store my firearms there once I am accepted but what can I do in the meantime. Thank you for your help.
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Get your own place.

you're asking for very big problems if you try to own guns while living with someone who's an anti, even if you abide by his rule of no gun in the house. very big problems.

You'll get in an argument, shout at eachother, Dad calls the cops as he's concerned for his safety since his son owns a gun...and boom, there you have it, a nice little firearms prohibition on your back.

Wanna bet?
 
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