I'm all for a debate, but no one has any valid facts/arguments to counter with. How a pistol "feels" has nothing to do with marksmanship,which means it has nothing to do with selecting a pistol. Next...
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Which handgun models are the best for tiny hands?
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I'm all for a debate, but no one has any valid facts/arguments to counter with. How a pistol "feels" has nothing to do with marksmanship,which means it has nothing to do with selecting a pistol. Next...
Tdc
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Probably quite well and most likely far better than those here who don't understand the fundamentals, but I digress. There isn't a service pistol available that can't be shot well by most people, if they know what they're doing. The differences between the most common choices with regards to LOP, grip width and grip circumference are trivial.
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Probably some of us would be further ahead in these discussions if we accept that some things may only be true for many of us unskilled, poorly informed and less intellectually capable people. I for one, know that a lot of things that might not affect the one or two supermen among us do affect me. I like to shoot in comfortable shoes. I shoot better with some of my guns than I do with others because the ones that "fit" me better offer few distractions and allow me to focus my deficient skills and mind more easily to the task at hand. I suspect there are others like me. We suffer with our incompetence and just try to get through life as best we can. And then there are the others at both ends of the normal curve some of whom could shoot quite well with a barrel and brick combination. I also suffer because none of my pistols properly fits the definition of "service pistol". I learned that in an earlier thread when my P-210 was cast as some sort of frivolous "target toy". Life goes on.
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Lets use welding as an example. Having a firm grasp of the fundementals, having years of experience will not change the fact that welding from a comfortable position will have better results than welding from an uncomfortable position.
I can shoot fine with a number of different pistols however for me personally the 1911 is the most comfortable. Choosing a brick with a barrel, because you can shoot anything doesn't mean anything. Unless you're a shape shifter and you can form fit your hands to any grip.
First time I shot a luger, I was hitting the gong at 100m with ww2 sights and the gun was uncomfortable for me. I was proficent, but not comfortable.
Now where I would agree with TDC is if a person was to say I can shoot great with a 1911 but glocks suck because I can't hit anything with them. That would be a failure of fundementals. If a person says, I can print comparable groups with a Glock and a 1911, but the 1911 is more comfortable and that's why I picked it, that's addressing physical differences effecting the shooter.
I can shoot fine with a number of different pistols however for me personally the 1911 is the most comfortable. Choosing a brick with a barrel, because you can shoot anything doesn't mean anything. Unless you're a shape shifter and you can form fit your hands to any grip.
First time I shot a luger, I was hitting the gong at 100m with ww2 sights and the gun was uncomfortable for me. I was proficent, but not comfortable.
Now where I would agree with TDC is if a person was to say I can shoot great with a 1911 but glocks suck because I can't hit anything with them. That would be a failure of fundementals. If a person says, I can print comparable groups with a Glock and a 1911, but the 1911 is more comfortable and that's why I picked it, that's addressing physical differences effecting the shooter.
x 2 on the Browning 1911 .22.
The fact that it's 80% scale of a standard 1911 means it should easily fit your smaller hands. If you're new to firearms a .22 is a great way to learn, and even if you move on to bigger calibers down the road having a .22 in your stable is never a bad thing. They're a tad pricy ($500-$600), but the quality and reliability on the Browning is top notch which means you'll have it for years.
The fact that it's 80% scale of a standard 1911 means it should easily fit your smaller hands. If you're new to firearms a .22 is a great way to learn, and even if you move on to bigger calibers down the road having a .22 in your stable is never a bad thing. They're a tad pricy ($500-$600), but the quality and reliability on the Browning is top notch which means you'll have it for years.
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I agree with this. I really hated the way Glocks felt to me at first but damn if I didn't shoot them really well. I've got small hands and I have no issues with large handguns like a S&W N Frame, a SIG P226 (even with original grips), Beretta M92 or even my H&K Mark 23. For sure—that pistol feels really big but even the DA pull is manageable for me. For some pistols I might have to skootch them around a little for my thumb to hit the mag release (which is why I like H&K's paddle-style release) but I have never felt that my marksmanship was hindered by the size of any handgun. Now, I can certainly appreciate how enjoyable it is to pick up a gun and have it feel just right in the hand—it's a great experience and shooting those pistols is a wonderful experience. But, "feel" does not necessarily translate into good marksmanship, neither does lack of "feel" translate into poor. I don't know...I've owned handguns for...holy crap...it's 30 years now, and I've shot dozens of different models of all sizes—I think that anyone can adapt to any modern handgun with enough experience.
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^^^ Definitely the OP should try it
I agree. It's slim but the grip is kind of long fore to aft, the trigger reset is kind of forward too. It's better than some guns but a modern polymer pistol with a small grip insert...HK/Walther etc....may actually give you more reach to the trigger than the P7 series.
thank god youve just said everything ive been feeling since i joined this forum...
That seems like the crux of it. Glock haters who haven't mastered the fundamentals.... irritate TDC.
Nothing wrong with being comfortable or having some pride of ownership in a fine tool..... it just doesn't automatically make you a master carpenter.
I have taken the types of courses that TDC describes. I still find some guns shoot a wee bit tighter groups or recover from recoil a wee bit quicker compared to others in my hands. (The wee bit I'm talking about is much less pronounced (for me anyway) after learning fundamentals). Or a model may have a trigger type/safety type that works for specific purposes. Nothing wrong with choosing a platform that optimizes the qualities that are important to you. If you are in certain high level shooting sports you may need a very specialized fitting gun (eg. olympic target shooting). If you practice skills and a certain platform works more efficiently for you who cares what others (including myself) thinks or says??
Have fun!!! (I take courses with plastic guns (don't care if they get banged up), but shoot antiquated inefficient, heavy guns for fun and a sense of history)
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This is, if you will allow me, a stupid statement TDC and you know better or should. Get off your high horse for a minute and rejoin the real world.
If a shooter decides he/she wants a pistol or revolver that "feels" good in their hands then it has everything , to do with that shooters choice of a handgun. It maybe the only reason why he buys the gun he buys. It may even impact on how well the shooter shoots the gun. Who is to know? You?
The fact the shooter may shoot just as well with another gun, a Glock for instance, matters not. I have several handguns all of which I shoot about as good as my physical abilities will allow. All were bought either for intended purpose, because I fell for the advertising, some out of curiosity and all because the felt good in my hands. Why buy something that is uncomfortable to shoot. I don't own a Glock, a 500 S&W or a 460 Revolver. Why? Because they were uncomfortable to shoot. One was downright hurtful due to recoil. The Glock you are so fond of always naturally pointed high in my hands along with being uncomfortable to hold due to the rather large hump at the lower portion of the grip Glock seems to think we all need to put up with. Is tipping your wrist down to bring the gun horizontal one of your fundamentals? If it is then it is something I don't have to do with my other handguns.
I know you like and shoot Glocks so in some ways I feel your statements are almost a reflection upon what you shoot as in "if you can shoot a Glock you can shoot any gun" a comment I find amusing in the extreme. Is the Glock really that hard to learn to shoot? I know you have to tip the barrel down due to it's needless desire to aim skyward in most hands but...
Most here can drive a car. Once you learn the fundamentals on how to drive a car, you can drive most cars. That said, we all don't drive the same car. Some of us like sporty cars, others prefer sedans and god bless those who like Dodge Caravans. God knows Chrysler has sold millions of them. One of the many reasons we buy what we buy is because we feel comfortable driving the car we choose. Deal with it. So to guns.
Take care
Bob
ps BTW this is a counter to your statement so you can no longer post the open ended statement "that nobody can..."I just did!
