Which pcc would you recommend?

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I'm interested in getting a pcc but I'd like some thoughts from people who have them or have experience in certain models good or bad.

I would like one that has the magwell in the grip, prefer to drop the mags with a thumb than to to multiple motions to change a mag and non restricted

With that said on the tip of my head that leaves me with
Hipoint 995ts and keltec sub2k both gen 1 and gen 2. Unless I missed one.

I would love to have had the cx4 but unfortunately that can't happen.
Is there any reliability difference between the gen 1 and gen 2 sub2k? Is the hipoint any good? Is one more superior than the other?

Thanks
 
While the Hi-point is ugly as hell, the ghost ring sight is pretty good (and removeable if you don't like it) and I'll be damned if you can get it to misfire or hiccup in any other way. Doesn't look terrible wrapped in camo either. However the 5 round limit kinda sucks, as it's one of the perks of a PCC. Don't know anything about the sub2k, but I hate folding stuff, so my opinion on it won't be fair.
 
I have Ruger PCC9.
I almost got the hi-point but decided to save a bit longer and get something a bit more reliable.

It also has 10 rd and lots of aftermarket parts

def recommend
 
I have both the Hi-Point 995TS (5 round 9mm magazines) and the Hi-Point 4595TS (9 round 45acp magazines). Love them both. Iron sights are OK but I took them off and replaced them with a scope after trying out a few red dots. I use mine for 3-gun / 2-gun competitions. Yes, it would be nice to have 10 round magazines, but I'm participating to have fun, not win. 99.999% sure even if I had 10 round magazines I would not place in the top 5 competitors!

Both PCC have only been fed handloads, and I have never had an ammo problem that wasn't my own doing. I like the fact that they are blow-back action rated for +P ammo.

YMMV.

Edit - sorry, just saw that you said non-restricted. Ignore the 4595TS. I believe all of them in Canada are restricted. My 995TS is non-restricted.
 
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I got the pc9 on sale at Bass Pro for $850. I have no complaints and shoots very accurate. Ability to take glock mags is a plus for me as well. Magpul is coming out with an aftermarket mod that will allow you to connect the two modular pieces together so it's easier to transport.
 
Good to know the hipoint is pretty good, sucks it's only 5 rounds. And uses proprietary mags.

I hear the ruger is great but after handling one, I like more the mag in the pistol grip compared to traditional style if that makes sense.

Cabelas here in Calgary had a m1-9mm with a massive fake can looked like bubba job on steroids haha.

Any word on the kel tecs? Is the gen 2 made better than the gen 1? I see the gen 2 has a different forend but is that it? Are the internals the same? Same reliability?
 
My feedback...

Keltec Sub2K Gen 2 - .40S&W - been a great gun, reliable, nice and light. My daughter loved shooting it. Folding is great but have to remove optic. I hate how stiff the charging handle is. Taking apart is not too difficult. Takes Glock 22/35 mags. Oh, I have to say the built in sights are terrible. You have to really press your cheek in to get a look through the sights.

TNW ASR - 9mm - nice and compact, barrel unscrews for packing. Not crazy about the charging handle and how it locks on a "notched" area (mine seems to come down and slam shut with some movement - likely groove is not deep enough). Accuracy is ok. Best to shoot 124gr for my gun. A front grip helps (Magpul or BCM). Takes Glock 17/34 mags

Kriss Vector (think maybe it's gen 2) - 9mm - hefty and big, but nice and solid. Very accurate. Easy to clean. Noticeably less recoil (not that 9mm PCCs have much recoil anyway). Takes Glock 17/34 mags

I have a Ruger PC9 showing up any day now.

Another one very popular here, but from what vendors tell me not much shipping to Canada for rest of year is the Freedom Ordnance FX9. I don't have it and haven't used one so can't comment.
IWI Tavor X95 also comes in 9mm but it's around the same cost as the Vector for 9mm - around $2100, maybe more. It's a chunkier gun though, but the ergonomics is amazing
 
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The Gen 1 Sub2000 is garbage in terms of build quality. Only consider the gen 2 models. IMO the Sub 2000 is a relatively uncomfortable plinker. But a good utility rifle.
 
Jmcc said:
I have Ruger PCC9.
I almost got the hi-point but decided to save a bit longer and get something a bit more reliable.

It also has 10 rd and lots of aftermarket parts

def recommend
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More reliable than the hi point? I've heard nothing but good things about the reliability of Hi Point firearms, both in general and in particular the 9mm carbine. They're ugly, sure, but from everything I've read they're very reliable.

The only reason I don't have one is the 5 round mags. Now, if they came out with an NR 40 or 45 carbine, I'd buy one yesterday.


As for the OPs other ideas, I hear the Sub2000 iron sights are hard to use as they're too low for the straight stock tube on the gun so you really have to squish your face down to get behind them. And if you go with a red dot you can't fold it without aftermarket parts, which increases the price of an already not-cheap gun.
 
If you think things are going to get worse before they get better, my recommendation would be a Plain Jane Ruger PCC.
Why? Well because it doesn't look like something Darth Vader would be carrying. The Antis and in particular Clueless Blair are not going to pick on guns that look like something no military would carry. I know it makes little sense to us in the shooting community but there you are. Blaire would rather hold up a .22LR copy of a WW11 carbine with a 25rd magazine hanging from it then a Marlin 60. One looks like your every day baby killer antis like to claim while the other looks like Grandpa Harry's gopher beater.

Once the OIC gets reversed my recommendation would be to buy any s###t you want that does not need to be registered and wait for the Liberals to get in.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
If you think things are going to get worse before they get better, my recommendation would be a Plain Jane Ruger PCC.
Why? Well because it doesn't look like something Darth Vader would be carrying. The Antis and in particular Clueless Blair are not going to pick on guns that look like something no military would carry. I know it makes little sense to us in the shooting community but there you are. Blaire would rather hold up a .22LR copy of a WW11 carbine with a 25rd magazine hanging from it then a Marlin 60. One looks like your every day baby killer antis like to claim while the other looks like Grandpa Harry's gopher beater.

Once the OIC gets reversed my recommendation would be to buy any s###t you want that does not need to be registered and wait for the Liberals to get in.

Take Care

Bob
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What about those scary Ruger PCCs with the collapsing (and AR looking) stock and the AR-esque hand guard?

Besides, I don't see a lot of armies carrying mini 14s and cx4s.

If I was truly concerned about what the Liberals might ban next, I wouldn't be buying any semi auto with detachable magazines. Life is too short to let the Liberals scare me out of buying whatever I want and can afford though.
 
The CX4 was my favorite until the unfortunate boating incident.

The Sub 2000 is a very cool concept and is hard to beat for packing but was not my favorite for actually shooting. Awful trigger and poor ergonomics and excessive perceived recoil for a 9mm, for me anyway.

There are lots of "tactical-style" glock mag compatible offerings out there, JR Carbine, Thereon Defense, etc., which have their merits but can be expensive. The X95 in 9mm is a lot of fun, but 2-3 times as expensive as its competition and while a very nice option, it isn't three times a better product in my mind.

I think the Ruger PCC is about as good as we can do right now. Reliable and solid right out of the box, after market upgrades available, ten round mags, great for storage, the list goes on.
 
I’m pretty fond of the Sub 2000 as far as a utility rifle goes, I have had a variety of them over the years Gen 1 and 2, I also have a Sub 9 that is very good and the rifle I wish Kel-tec had mass produced but good luck finding one of them. I’d recommend them. If you want something a little more robust the Thureon is a very good carbine, materials and construction are very good and a nice trigger really sharpens the feel up. Those are my two favourites as of right now.
 
JRC in .45. I think Frontier has a couple in stock (or wolvrine?).

Just get the better springs for the mags.



Cant go wrong with a hipoint.


I don't like the plastic internals of the sub2k.
 
Suther said:
What about those scary Ruger PCCs with the collapsing (and AR looking) stock and the AR-esque hand guard?

Besides, I don't see a lot of armies carrying mini 14s and cx4s.

If I was truly concerned about what the Liberals might ban next, I wouldn't be buying any semi auto with detachable magazines. Life is too short to let the Liberals scare me out of buying whatever I want and can afford though.
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Lets assume for a minute the OP has a limited budget. While it is true the Ruger can be had with all the baby killer add ons that have no Impact on performance the initial offering is, if nothing else plain Jane. It is pretty obvious Trudeau & Co are only motivated by the potential vote gathering in the urban shooting galleries we call Toronto, Montreal & Vancouver. I suggested the Ruger because it is the only reasonably priced PCC that is accurate and dead nuts reliable. The gun flies under the Liberal radar.

The carbines Trudeau banned by OIC all have direct lineage to select fire offerings. Eg AR15's, Scorpians, CX4 and they all serve to some extent in active Military or LEO units. They fit Blair's agenda. The Ruger doesn't..

His situation is not mine nor apparently yours. It is just my opinion he can consider it or toss it.

If you have an opinion express it. Give him the benefit of your experience. He didn't ask for a debating contest between two members who he has never met.

Take Care
Bob
 
I absolutely love my pc9. Can't say anything bad about it.

I had a friendly guy at the range let me try out his sub2000. To be honest didn't really like it at all. Cool concept just felt cheap and rough to use.
 
Ruger pc carbine. Like others have said the original.model with what looks to be a American styled hunting stock is the least likely to get caught up in future bans. It's also easy to get improvement parts or spare parts from companies like mcarbo. And to answer your questions, all PC carbines are the same, only difference in them is the Chassis they sit in, and the for-grip. Personally think if they continue down the Ever green ban process you will see the pistol gripped model go before the original american styled stock version go. Look at the Mossberg 22lr that has the Ak styled version banned but not the rest of the versions as an example of what's possible.
 
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jacotsmith said:
The CX4 was my favorite until the unfortunate boating incident.

The Sub 2000 is a very cool concept and is hard to beat for packing but was not my favorite for actually shooting. Awful trigger and poor ergonomics and excessive perceived recoil for a 9mm, for me anyway.
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No you are not the only one. I took my oldest son shooting last weekend and he is significantly larger than me and he did not like the Sub2K .40 for that exact reason.
 
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