Which scope are you putting on your Makasi MK-15?

20YearsOfTannerite said:
How's the eyebox on a 1-10? I keep seeing people say online that 1-6 is sort of the sweet spot for an LPVO, or maybe that's just a budget constraint.
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The Vudu 1-10x has a surprisingly large and forgiving eye-box when set to maximum 10x magnification. Eye-Relief is good between approximately 3" to 4.5" from the scope's rear. You can move your head a good distance Left, Right or Up around the Scope without compromising a part of the image. I'd call it a very comfortable eye-box which makes for targets easily acquired on maximum 10-power magnification.
 
I'm gonna do the same thing I do with pretty much every carbine: put a real big optic (probably a Vortex Razor G2 4.5-27) on it to test how precise it is. If it can keep 10 rnds of 75/77gr match ammo at or under 1 moa (which I really don't expect) it'll get something like a 3-18 or 4-24 (maybe a Razor LHT 4.5-22 to keep weight down) and an offset red dot. If it can keep 10 rnds of match ammo at or under 2 moa (I'm kinda hoping, most decent ARs will) then it'll get my Razor G3 1-10 and an offset red dot. If it can't keep 10 rnds at 2 moa it'll get a UH1 or Eotech + magnifier.
 
rugbydave said:
I'm gonna do the same thing I do with pretty much every carbine: put a real big optic (probably a Vortex Razor G2 4.5-27) on it to test how precise it is. If it can keep 10 rnds of 75/77gr match ammo at or under 1 moa (which I really don't expect) it'll get something like a 3-18 or 4-24 (maybe a Razor LHT 4.5-22 to keep weight down) and an offset red dot. If it can keep 10 rnds of match ammo at or under 2 moa (I'm kinda hoping, most decent ARs will) then it'll get my Razor G3 1-10 and an offset red dot. If it can't keep 10 rnds at 2 moa it'll get a UH1 or Eotech + magnifier.
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Interesting strategy!
 
20YearsOfTannerite said:
Interesting strategy!
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It's really about tailoring the optic to the capabilities of the rifle since in my case it's going to be more of a general use rifle and with an 18.5" barrel it's not particularly compact. Might as well take advantage of the extra speed from the barrel length if the level of precision is there.

If a carbine is capable of 2 moa or better, it's effectively a 600yd rifle so long as it has a suitable optic, the minimum suitable optic being a good 1-8 or 1-10 LPVO, imo.You can certainly make a lesser optic (1-4 or 1-6 or even a red dot+magnifier combo) work at that range depending on target size, light conditions, target location/how obscured it is but you really can't get proper PID and you'll really struggle to find targets in the shadows/partially obscured. That's why if the rifle meets the minimum 2 moa threshold, it gets an LPVO that makes longer range hits possible but still biases towards close range work with 1x on the low end and an offset red dot for night use.

If the rifle will do 1 moa then it makes sense to run a higher magnification optic that allows you a greater level of precision and target resolution since you can push the range out farther and/or engage smaller targets at the same range. The offset red dot is your close range aiming system.

If the rifle shoots >2 moa, it's effective range is shorter and at that point it makes sense to bias it towards closer range shooting and for that I like something with the "donut of death" reticle you get in a UH1 or Eotech. Holograpic sights also play better with a magnifier (for my eyes) which I like to have on hand for target ID and extending the engagement range of the red dot.
 
rugbydave said:
It's really about tailoring the optic to the capabilities of the rifle since in my case it's going to be more of a general use rifle and with an 18.5" barrel it's not particularly compact. Might as well take advantage of the extra speed from the barrel length if the level of precision is there.

If a carbine is capable of 2 moa or better, it's effectively a 600yd rifle so long as it has a suitable optic, the minimum suitable optic being a good 1-8 or 1-10 LPVO, imo.You can certainly make a lesser optic (1-4 or 1-6 or even a red dot+magnifier combo) work at that range depending on target size, light conditions, target location/how obscured it is but you really can't get proper PID and you'll really struggle to find targets in the shadows/partially obscured. That's why if the rifle meets the minimum 2 moa threshold, it gets an LPVO that makes longer range hits possible but still biases towards close range work with 1x on the low end and an offset red dot for night use.

If the rifle will do 1 moa then it makes sense to run a higher magnification optic that allows you a greater level of precision and target resolution since you can push the range out farther and/or engage smaller targets at the same range. The offset red dot is your close range aiming system.

If the rifle shoots >2 moa, it's effective range is shorter and at that point it makes sense to bias it towards closer range shooting and for that I like something with the "donut of death" reticle you get in a UH1 or Eotech. Holograpic sights also play better with a magnifier (for my eyes) which I like to have on hand for target ID and extending the engagement range of the red dot.
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Brother you are making too much sense! Thank you for your perspective and explanation, I may adopt this approach. My wallet hates you already haha, but luckily the resale market is hot.
 
20YearsOfTannerite said:
The red dot magnifier combo always intrigued me, but it looks pretty heavy. What do you like about it more than an LPVO? I've never tried it, only used a red dot by itself.
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The red dot/holographic sight and magnifier combo is actually a few ounces lighter than an LPVO and mount.

I like it because it's fast and easy to get behind. Unlimited eye relief with the dot and easy to flip the magnifier in place if you want to take more precise shots.
 
True Shadows said:
The red dot/holographic sight and magnifier combo is actually a few ounces lighter than an LPVO and mount.

I like it because it's fast and easy to get behind (unlimited eye relief).
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Oh no way, even with the riser and flip mount and all that? That's really cool, I just assumed it was heavier. Is the eyebox forgiving with the magnifier? Thought most were like 3x or maybe 5x.
 
Arminhammer said:
Vector Continental 2-12x44 SCFF-69
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I was very interested in their 1-8 fiber illumination but came across that Venom deal from my OP and I just couldn't refuse. Do you have any notable scopes you could compare to that 2-12? Don't think I've seen that model reviewed before. If you don't mind, how much did you pay for it? If you ordered directly from their website, what were the "hidden" costs like (if any), tariffs etc.?
 
20YearsOfTannerite said:
Oh no way, even with the riser and flip mount and all that? That's really cool, I just assumed it was heavier. Is the eyebox forgiving with the magnifier? Thought most were like 3x or maybe 5x.
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3x is pretty decent if you go 5x or more it would be worse. Personally, I would stick to 3x.

Yes even with the risers. You don't actually need the risers... that's just a preference. Here's a pic of my Renegade with the mounts that came with the optics.

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