Who all has a 2A / 2A1 ?
- Thread starter Timberlord
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Thx JP
I was speaking to a respected Enfielder who knows of the rifle I have and said it was brought into Canada quite awhile ago with a few others.
Which got me thinking about just how many are in Canada.
Mkll bayo from P&S Militaria
I was speaking to a respected Enfielder who knows of the rifle I have and said it was brought into Canada quite awhile ago with a few others.
Which got me thinking about just how many are in Canada.
Mkll bayo from P&S Militaria
- Location
- West coast of Vancouver Island
Had one of each, gone now:-(
Lee Enfield
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Republic of Alberta
They were listed for sale at $199.99 in the SIR fliers that I used to recieve over ten years ago. I don't know how many they recieved, though I seemed to recall that they got their milsurps from Century.
It's a pity that they are not readily available, since at about $200 that would be a great deal of a rifle even though I'd probably reload hunting loads to lslightly ower pressures than regular .308.
It's a pity that they are not readily available, since at about $200 that would be a great deal of a rifle even though I'd probably reload hunting loads to lslightly ower pressures than regular .308.
Its a shame you guys didn't get many up there,
They are fairly common down here in the States. Nice guns, mine shoots quite well, but I think these things are the reason that the price of SA 7.62 has gone up so much
So are there any reports of short brass life of the 308 due to the "springy" action?
No I haven't heard that,
Of course there are people down here the swear they are bombs waiting to go off, but I have shot mine numerous times with no problems.
However, I shoot only the proper 7.62 NATO ammo, not .308 Winchester.
My 2A1 is not a smooth as my other Enfields, but it is quite accurate and gets the job done nicely.
Of course there are people down here the swear they are bombs waiting to go off, but I have shot mine numerous times with no problems.
However, I shoot only the proper 7.62 NATO ammo, not .308 Winchester.
My 2A1 is not a smooth as my other Enfields, but it is quite accurate and gets the job done nicely.
Yea, it's the old "it wasn't designed for 7.62x51, therefore it will blow up for sure", that gets applied to all guns that have been rechambered to that round (and others). Then we don't hear of accounts of that happening, just the warning "it's just a matter of time".
Anyways, I'm particularly interested in the "springy action" theory. I'm in the process of multiple firings of full strength neck-sized brass in the original 303 Brit and have seen no signs of incipient case separation. If it's the "springy action" that supposedly contributes to that and not just full-length re-sizing in a generous chamber, we should see that in the 7.62x51 as well (assuming that the 7.62x51 chamber is cut to spec and not "generous").
Anyways, I'm particularly interested in the "springy action" theory. I'm in the process of multiple firings of full strength neck-sized brass in the original 303 Brit and have seen no signs of incipient case separation. If it's the "springy action" that supposedly contributes to that and not just full-length re-sizing in a generous chamber, we should see that in the 7.62x51 as well (assuming that the 7.62x51 chamber is cut to spec and not "generous").
Andy, i think the problem here is one of generalization. There is such a large variety of .303 chambers depending on the reamer in use at the factory that day, that it's hard to adhere to any "rule" on these.
The 7.62 guns should theoretically be more consistent since they rely on shoulder placement to headspace. The .303, on the other hand, relies only on the rim.
I have seen some wartime No.4's where the once-fired brass had the neck length reduced by HALF once the brass blew out to chamber dimensions. The rifles headspaced and functioned just fine, but I would NOT full-length size the brass and use it again in those particular rifles. Not for safety's sake, but because I'm a cheap bastard and short brass life doesn't fit my view of the world too well...
The 7.62 guns should theoretically be more consistent since they rely on shoulder placement to headspace. The .303, on the other hand, relies only on the rim.
I have seen some wartime No.4's where the once-fired brass had the neck length reduced by HALF once the brass blew out to chamber dimensions. The rifles headspaced and functioned just fine, but I would NOT full-length size the brass and use it again in those particular rifles. Not for safety's sake, but because I'm a cheap bastard and short brass life doesn't fit my view of the world too well...
2A 2A1 Ishapore 7.62 Rifles
I think I have three Ishapore 7.62's in my collection. They have chrome lined barrels and better steel in their manufacture.
I think they are great guns, and some members tell me the mags are better than the ones made by Enfield or Sterling. I haven't used the other mags so I can only go by what they say.
I really like them and I am going to sight one in for hunting season. I have a number of 7.62 Mausers and they are also great plinkers.
I have enough ammo so I don't have to scrounge around for any for some time.
I think I have three Ishapore 7.62's in my collection. They have chrome lined barrels and better steel in their manufacture.
I think they are great guns, and some members tell me the mags are better than the ones made by Enfield or Sterling. I haven't used the other mags so I can only go by what they say.
I really like them and I am going to sight one in for hunting season. I have a number of 7.62 Mausers and they are also great plinkers.
I have enough ammo so I don't have to scrounge around for any for some time.
There are pages and pages on different sites warning not to use .308win in the 2A/2A1 . Alot of "possibles" , "maybe's" and "if's" but it was a redflag nevertheless. Once I see that redflag , of any kind ...nope , ain't using it and stick to what the rifle is designated for. Although .308 win. managed recoil ammo is said to be fine.
Yet Gibbs Rifle Co. altered alot of 2A's for sport .
Since I'm not using mine for hunting , I'll stick to using 7.62nato. I'm seeing/buying alot of 7.62n ammo at some really decent prices ( $8 - 20 ) and the stockpile is growing
Not as accurate as my Longbranch or Savage No.4's ( could easily be just me ) , but it speedfires like a dream and feeds with stripper clips quick.
Not sure of why they have a 12rd mag ...saves on over compressing the mag spring ?
Yet Gibbs Rifle Co. altered alot of 2A's for sport .
Since I'm not using mine for hunting , I'll stick to using 7.62nato. I'm seeing/buying alot of 7.62n ammo at some really decent prices ( $8 - 20 ) and the stockpile is growing
Not as accurate as my Longbranch or Savage No.4's ( could easily be just me ) , but it speedfires like a dream and feeds with stripper clips quick.
Not sure of why they have a 12rd mag ...saves on over compressing the mag spring ?
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Forty4Forty
Regular
- Location
- Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Partly true, the Enfield’s were not made for 7.62 and the receivers are reportedly not strong enough, the British never successfully converted their Enfield’s to 7.62, even though there are quite a few DCRA 7.62 conversions around and have heard nothing bad about them. BUT the Indian, Ishapore, 2A/2A1 were made for 7.62 the Indians developed a special process for the metal and their rifles are considered safe and manufactured for 7.62, they had successes where the Brits did not. I have not read any thing to the contrary, to say these rifles are unsafe.
I have one, to add to the count.
(If you are not sure, have your firearm checked by a competent gunsmith before using, and use any firearm applying all the safety rules, I am just sharing info)
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2A1's
The British didn't bother to convert their rifles from 303 to 7.62 because they were making FN's and they were a wealthy country compared to India and could afford to leave the 303's alone. The 2A1's were manufactured as 7.62 and I have never read anything bad about them. I don't think they are made to take the punishment of reloading ammo.
The guns seem well made and they aren't Parker-Hales by any means. If there was any problems it could be from the different ammo out there. I remember there was a batch of 7.62 ammo out of Century that was really hot compared to some of the Canadian and Indian ammo.
The British didn't bother to convert their rifles from 303 to 7.62 because they were making FN's and they were a wealthy country compared to India and could afford to leave the 303's alone. The 2A1's were manufactured as 7.62 and I have never read anything bad about them. I don't think they are made to take the punishment of reloading ammo.
The guns seem well made and they aren't Parker-Hales by any means. If there was any problems it could be from the different ammo out there. I remember there was a batch of 7.62 ammo out of Century that was really hot compared to some of the Canadian and Indian ammo.
