Who has all the G.33/40's in Canada?

33/40 Mausers

I have a Vz.33, my variation is a 16/33 and I never thought I would ever find one. Actually I didn't know what it was until I researched it. It's not exactly complete but I think I may find the correct parts middle barrel band and a front sight. There are only 25,311 of them and mine is one of 20,011 that went to the CETN. The 33/40 was a direct copy of the 16/33 even less common. The information I have says there were 120,000 of the 33/40's manufactured.
 
Sigismund said:
Agree!!! Mitchell's mausers is very likely the creation of bubba and satan.
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Listen, you two I am not sure what your problem is with Mitchell's Mausers is?:rolleyes:

But I don't think you have the right to call the M63 Tanker a "Bubba", it's was a bloody production rifle. Agreed it is not a G 33/40 by a long shot, but it ain't a bubba unless you want to call any rifle ever manufactured at the Kragujevac factory a bubba?

FROM MITCHALLS WEB SITE


The Yugoslavians had already been producing Mauser rifles at Kragujevac, Serbia, with which they had armed and trained the entire populace in order to repel any new invader. So, when a short rifle was needed in a tank, the logical choice was a short Mauser. Everybody was already trained to use the K98/M48, which is operationally identical to the new Tanker and uses the same 8mm ammunition.
These M63 Tankers are brand-new rifles produced with all new parts, using modern materials and methods. A foreign government had placed an order with the Serbian factory, but had failed to take delivery. Mitchell’s was able to contract for the entire lot and bring it to the United States market at the very attractive price of only $495.
Specifications
Model M63 Tanker
Mechanism Mauser-system with controlled-round feeding
Magazine All milled steel. Holds 5 rounds
Calibers 8mm Mauser, .30-06 Springfield, .308 Winchester
.270 Winchester & .243 Winchester
Rifling 4 groves, right twist
Barrel Length 17.4”
Front Sight Inverted V
Rear Sight Standard V-notch, adjustable to 1,400 Meters
Overall Length 37.2”
Stock Semi-gloss, blond wood
Weight 7.4 +/- lbs.
 
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I was under the impression that Mitchell's cut down M48's to make these new tankers. I had no idea they were factory rifles.

You're right tho, they're no 33/40, though they might be fun at the range.
 
M63 Tanker

K98ACTION said:
Listen, you two I am not sure what your problem is with Mitchell's Mausers is?:rolleyes:

But I don't think you have the right to call the M63 Tanker a "Bubba", it's was a bloody production rifle. Agreed it is not a G 33/40 by a long shot, but it ain't a bubba unless you want to call any rifle ever manufactured at the Kragujevac factory a bubba?

Ok, not fair to say the M63 is a true "bubba", rather a newly made creation. Cute and looks well made, but like those AIA No.4 look-a-likes, not true milsurps IMHO.

Geoff in Victoria
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Mitchell's Mausers sells nothing but crap and is the biggest joke and ripoff for unsuspecting collectors. All of the Mausers they offer are renumbered and pimpshined, very much the same as Miltech. Don't waste your money.
 
K98ACTION said:
Listen, you two I am not sure what your problem is with Mitchell's Mausers is?:rolleyes:

But I don't think you have the right to call the M63 Tanker a "Bubba", it's was a bloody production rifle. Agreed it is not a G 33/40 by a long shot, but it ain't a bubba unless you want to call any rifle ever manufactured at the Kragujevac factory a bubba?

FROM MITCHALLS WEB SITE


The Yugoslavians had already been producing Mauser rifles at Kragujevac, Serbia, with which they had armed and trained the entire populace in order to repel any new invader. So, when a short rifle was needed in a tank, the logical choice was a short Mauser. Everybody was already trained to use the K98/M48, which is operationally identical to the new Tanker and uses the same 8mm ammunition.
These M63 Tankers are brand-new rifles produced with all new parts, using modern materials and methods. A foreign government had placed an order with the Serbian factory, but had failed to take delivery. Mitchell’s was able to contract for the entire lot and bring it to the United States market at the very attractive price of only $495.
Specifications
Model M63 Tanker
Mechanism Mauser-system with controlled-round feeding
Magazine All milled steel. Holds 5 rounds
Calibers 8mm Mauser, .30-06 Springfield, .308 Winchester
.270 Winchester & .243 Winchester
Rifling 4 groves, right twist
Barrel Length 17.4”
Front Sight Inverted V
Rear Sight Standard V-notch, adjustable to 1,400 Meters
Overall Length 37.2”
Stock Semi-gloss, blond wood
Weight 7.4 +/- lbs.
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PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE MITCHELLS' AD COPY AS FACT!!!

I don't know what bothers me more... Mitchells Mausers' shady (read FRAUDULENT) practices of scrubbing, renumbering and reblueing badly worn and m/m bargain bin yugo mausers not good enough for Marstar (or even Century Arms) and selling them as "unissued" matching "K98's" while heavily insinuating they are WW2 era, or their fantastical and totally made up ad copy.

They also buy RC K98k's by the truckload, strip all the parts down and then r-assemble as "matching" rifles as possible. When not possibly, they find "correct" parts and renumber them, then sell the K98k's as "collector grade".

They are Miltech without ethics.

So I say again: Yuck and Bubba.

PS: I can't find anything that looks like their special "tanker" Mauser in any published reference work, including Bogdanovich's definitive work on Yugo Mausers. That should tell you something.
 
i can't really comment on mitchell's mauser rifles having never seen one, but their ads, especially from a few years ago, definately were designed to mislead. they basically implied that the M48 was a WWII rifle (due to the 1943 date on the yugo communist crest) made on german machinery (the tooling at zastava was belgian was it not?) and so forth.
 
Buy an M48 or some similar cheaper mauser off of the forums and have a gunsmith cut 6 or 8 inches off of the barrel for you.
Voila!
 
Mitchell M63's are a creation of their own making, nothing original about them. They were assembled for them as a purely commercial venture.
 
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JP said:
Mitchell M63's are a creation of their own making, nothing original about them. They were assembled for them as a purely commercial venture.
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Thanks for clearing that up JP, I had suspected as much.
 
chupac said:
There is no practical way to fake a g33/40. One look at it and the buyer can see if it is real or not. Even owning a machineshop myself; it is not worth the time to try to reproduce what the germans did.... all the lightening cuts etc. way too much time involved. I can make easier money (and faster) doing legit work.

I have come across a couple 'fakes' and they were so blatantly obvious. For example: G33-40's only had serials in 3 places... but one guy decided to number every piece of metal on his g33-40 and then call it completely number matching.... and insisted that it was correct out of the factory like that. Too bad he totally ruined any value the gun had.

Agreed; most of the stuff in canada is bolt mis-matches.... still a 33/40 and they make great shooters.
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I saw this too at the Calgary Gunshow about 10 years ago. The seller told me he was swapping out parts from K98's and G33/40's to make them match and it took a long time to get the right parts-but he commented, he finally completed it.

Probably some renumbering going on too. But he seemed quite proud of the way he was making and selling renumbered " ALL NUMBERS MATCHING" guns.

The only problem was his G33/40 had serial numbers on just about every part which is totally wrong! :mad:

I think he probably did more than a few as he always had one or two spare G33/40 stocks for sale on his table.
 
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BadgerDog said:
I doubt you're going to find one in Canada...

In our Commercial Auction and Sale "Gossip"http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=38 forum, there's a thread (with "iFrame" input) on a GERMAN G.33/40 MOUNTAIN CARBINE, 945 1940http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=1024 currently available from Brocks.

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Badger

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A friend of mine has 2 of them, so I know that there are some in Kanada.

We have to remember that GCA 68 in the 'States was the best thing to ever happen for Canadian collectors.

From 1968 to 1986 very little milsurp could enter the 'States, so alot ended up here that would ordinarily have been sucked into the maw...
 
Some of the time in Calgary at the Soldier Shop, there was usually a G33/40 their for consignment, a bolt mismatch, and the best part, $600.
 
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