Who here owns a Non Restricted Sten gun from Sask Sten?.

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Just curious about these, prices, waiting times, any possible current legal issues.

If they are still good to go for owning here, do you like yours, does it have any mechanical issues ect.?.

Would you mind posting a pic or two of yours so I can see the options they have available in non restricted lengths?.
 
So I take it you got the Gunaddicts newsletter as well? ;)

I was gonna start a thread on this as well.

What I really don't get is that on his page he has a link to a video of the RCMP converting one of his semi auto stens to a full auto.

Why the hell would you put that on your web page, when you claim to be selling semi auto restricted and non restricted guns?

I am not positive on this but I believe the guy was a member here, possibly a sponsor and he ran into some legal issues. I could be wrong, and just going off of memory from some heated discussion years ago.
 
For anyone that would like to build their own .. :)

Claven2 said:
Building the Canadian Semi-Auto STEN (by Claven2)http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=2403

Here in Canada, a semi-auto version of the STEN has finally been RCMP and CFC approved. To get one, you must build one as there is no commercial source. At this time, the only approved semi-auto STEN here in Canada is the SAS3 conversion suitable for the MkII, MkIII and MKV sten.

The FRT Number for the home-made Semi-Auto STEN SAS3 in MkII trim is 126844-1
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Blueprints for The STEN MKII (complete machine plans)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=422-Blueprints-for-The-STEN-MKII-(complete-machine-plans)

Regards,
Doug
 
A few comments about the project as described above.....
The SAS semi auto breech mechanism described in this thread has been out of production for quite some time, and is unavailable.
A similar operating system, reported to be superior to the SAS, is manufactured by Indianapolis Ordnance; IO does not export.
The SAS and IO systems are US ATF approved; this is irrelevant to Cdn authorities.
The Mk. II Sten blueprints linked above have some serious dimensional errors. The trigger box and barrel seating/barrel nut are incorrect. Whoever drew the drawings for the barrel seating, barrel nut, and magazine housing plunger assembly never had access to an actual Sten.

Anyone contemplating such a project should contact the RCMP's Specialized Firearms Support Services before wasting any time and money.

As far as the Saskatchewan made guns go, they have been variously classified as prohibited, restricted, and non-restricted. FRT numbers are available for the ones which have been inspected.
I have never seen one. There was a detailed tutorial posted on a US site describing how to make the restricted & non-restricted versions. This is gone, disappeared about the same time he was banned from that site. Seems to be a pattern.
If I remember correctly these are the highlights of the design.
Starting with a complete parts kit:
The magazine housing must be newly made.
The bolt must be non-removable. This was done by drilling and tapping the cocking handle for an Allen head screw, using the lightning hole in the rear of the bolt for access. Once finally installed, the hex socket is drilled out.
A plug is fitted to the rear of the bolt, secured with a defaced Allen head screw, through the cocking handle slot. This makes access to the cocking handle screw inconvenient.
The selector is internally welded in the semi position.
A new casing is made; the slot for the tripping lever is cut to allow semi auto only.
The trigger mechanism, and particularly the sear must be inaccessible. The trigger mechanism cover is secured with drilled out Allen screws. The drain hole in the bottom of the cover is blocked, any holes allowing access to the sear are blocked. These are to the rear of the tabs just above the sear pin.
All drilled out Allen screws are Loctited in place, to further hinder removal.
To finish, coat with DupliColor spray paint available from your neighbourhood hardware store.

A Mk. II gun requires the tubular casing, the magazine housing collar, the magazine housing box to be fabricated, and some original parts altered. The two pieces of tube are standard sizes. The box can be made from rectangular tube, or from sheet steel.

Once again, contact the RCMP SFSS before starting such a project.

You will be required to submit your creation for examination.
 
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FWIW, the last of these I built has been sitting at the RCMP lab for over two years and all my correspondence and phone calls have been answered by saying it is "still under review, report not yet written". In other words, they are hoping I will simply give up and they will keep it in the reference library or something.

Approval = not likely.

Mine was a restricted gun, not a non-restricted, so it has nothing to do wit hthe fate of the registry - likely an ideological position in the RCMP about not wanting these guns on the street.
 
I've always wanted a STEN, as it was the weapon my father carried for 5 years during world war 2.
I thought it would be interesting to get a chance to shoot the same gun he had to work with.

Kirk
 
Claven2 said:
FWIW, the last of these I built has been sitting at the RCMP lab for over two years and all my correspondence and phone calls have been answered by saying it is "still under review, report not yet written". In other words, they are hoping I will simply give up and they will keep it in the reference library or something.

Approval = not likely.

Mine was a restricted gun, not a non-restricted, so it has nothing to do wit hthe fate of the registry - likely an ideological position in the RCMP about not wanting these guns on the street.
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Threads by stencollector, and NavyShooter here at CGN, and by Claven2 at Milsurps documented successful projects, approved and duly registered.
Since then, the RCMP had someone pizz in their Cornflakes, and things have changed.
 
Here's the catch - what if the firearm is deemed to be illegal? All very well that the builder decides that it doesn't need to be inspected or registered, but there could be a huge can of worms if the RCMP don't agree.
Just because the RCMP don't know about it, doesn't mean its legal. After C-19 becomes law, the identification and classification process will still exist.
At the present time there are a number of firearms in limbo.
 
I think we need some commercial closed-bolt semi-only stens, and we need someone who is more respectable and law-abiding than ######## to make them.
 
UCSPanther said:
I think we need some commercial closed-bolt semi-only stens, and we need someone who is more respectable and law-abiding than ######## to make them.
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Not going to happen IMHO. Any manufacturer needs to get the design RCMP lab approved and we know they are sitting on all such submissions citing lack of capacity/resources to properly progress these guns.

Someone with enough $ to take them to court or an MP who cares enough to get involved might be the only thing that "unsticks" their purposeful neglect of the issue of semi-auto sten guns.
 
mlehtovaara said:
So I take it you got the Gunaddicts newsletter as well? ;)

I was gonna start a thread on this as well.

What I really don't get is that on his page he has a link to a video of the RCMP converting one of his semi auto stens to a full auto.

Why the hell would you put that on your web page, when you claim to be selling semi auto restricted and non restricted guns?

I am not positive on this but I believe the guy was a member here, possibly a sponsor and he ran into some legal issues. I could be wrong, and just going off of memory from some heated discussion years ago.
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because they did it the hardest way possible.. There were so many ways to convert it but they did it the hardest way. My Great Grandfather used to make sten guns for the war effort. He even owned 1 him self and when I was little he showed me how easy it was to make it out of parts you can get from a plumbing store. (He didn't actually make another one) He just showed me the steps required to make it and he said every Canadian should know how to make them as they are so simple and easy to make incase Canada ever gets invaded.

I would also like to point out that a Lee Enfield Bolt action rifle was converted into a machine gun For WW2 as well. I've actually was lucky enough to hold 1 in my hands at 1 time when I was young as the collector who owned it legally said it was the pride of his collection and would never ever shot it legal or not as it can break. The fact is a bolt action rifle can be made to shoot full auto the question is how easy or hard can it be if someone puts there mind to it.
 
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