Who says precision rifle has to be expensive?
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troutseeker
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Hahaha, stick it to him Sticker. Great group from another dang accurate Savage! And what I like best is the sticker price, no sticker shock here!!!
Troutseeker
troutseeker
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I don't know why you guys are all so negative about Remingtons. Things were going along fine then all of a sudden there was this massive increase in negative posts about Remingtons. What's going ON!!!? People still buy Remingtons. People still shoot Remingtons.
Probably because truly accurate Remington's are Frankenguns...
Troutseeker
I am a newbie to rifles but I see Remington as the company that someone who has the cash and wants a good accurate rifle without having to do a lot of research. Sure you can find a nice Savage or other rifle but the average consumer knows that with the Remington name they can expect a certain level of quality. A Remington 700 in .308 is practically a generic "good rifle".
I have a Remmy myself, having lots of upgrades available is an advantage. However Savages are every bit as accurate and just as good in the quality department.
The average consumer may 'assume' the Remmy is of better quality but that simply isn't true.
9mikemike
CGN frequent flyer
My Ruger Centennial 7mmRM will put 3 rounds on the same size as my pinky fingernail at 100 & 200. That's what I use for hunting, haven't taken a shot over 100yds at an animal in, 8 yrs now....
Highly subjective to say the least. Both brands have their good and bad points.
I highly doubt this "debate" will ever be settled. It's the same old sh!t, just a different day. Pundits for either brand will have their opinion either based on first hand personal knowledge and experience or from what they'll regurjitate from forums like this.
Personally, I think the competition between the (2) brands is a good thing as it revitalizes market interest and forces the marketers to be creative and not accept the status quo.
In my mind, Savage is doing a great job in bringing some new and innovative products to the market but has done a somewhat mediocre job in others.
The "new" Long Range Series and target actions are leading edge for a main stream manufacturer. I'm kind of hoping they're the first manufacturer to offer a factory rifle in 6.5x47 Lapua. Wouldn't that be a good thing?
On the other hand, I'm preplexed as to who they have not offered their FP in .223 in either the McMillan or HS Precision offerings. Surely, they must see an opprtunity here?
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savage acurassy
2 years ago i bought a gun for 300 i knew knothing about the gun other than it had a bull barrel it was a omark m-44, with a barska scope it put 5 shots in a1 inch square at 1oo yards with no micromiter to guage the group it was dam good to me only draw back was being a single shot , i was window shopping at a shop in belleville here and i saw a savage 10 fp with a left handed bolt which some body ordered and never came back for so i got it at a steel of a price with a falcon menace 10 power scope mounted im waiting for the mud to dry to see how well human and gun can shoot i do own a micromiter now
2 years ago i bought a gun for 300 i knew knothing about the gun other than it had a bull barrel it was a omark m-44, with a barska scope it put 5 shots in a1 inch square at 1oo yards with no micromiter to guage the group it was dam good to me only draw back was being a single shot , i was window shopping at a shop in belleville here and i saw a savage 10 fp with a left handed bolt which some body ordered and never came back for so i got it at a steel of a price with a falcon menace 10 power scope mounted im waiting for the mud to dry to see how well human and gun can shoot i do own a micromiter now
Sendero
http://www.sirmailorder.ca/show_pro...30&PHPSESSID=488f39a2b0d380550cb9faef58a8797a
I ordered this today from SIR. I hope that it is in stock
http://www.sirmailorder.ca/show_pro...30&PHPSESSID=488f39a2b0d380550cb9faef58a8797a
Nuttin yet
I have yet to buy them. I was considering the Bushnell 6500 elite as I like the crosshairs but I dont know enough about this to know what to buy. I am open to suggestion. I would like to buy what would make the gun not be the limiting factor.
I think you'll be happy with that rifle
I have yet to buy them. I was considering the Bushnell 6500 elite as I like the crosshairs but I dont know enough about this to know what to buy. I am open to suggestion. I would like to buy what would make the gun not be the limiting factor.
Glass
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...rid=&parentType=&indexId=cat570021&hasJS=true
What about this one?I think you'll be happy with that rifle
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...rid=&parentType=&indexId=cat570021&hasJS=true
Swarovski's glass is fantastic. Others in that league are the Zeiss Diavara(sp?), Nightforce, S&B and probably a few others. All very good stuff.
For hunting the Swarovski will be the number one, especially in low light. For long distance shooting though, there are other's with better features.
Bushnell 6500
Check it out and you tell me. After you look at it, try a Zeiss, Swarovski, NF etc. Then go back.
If you want something cheaper to start with until you get your "uber" scope. You might want to consider a Falcon Menace 4-14X 44m FFP. Reviews have been very favourable. I plan on trying one out on a rifle as soon as they are available. This should work for both hunting and long range. After you get your super scope you can put it on something else.. Might be a good interm decision, until you decide what features you want/need and wether or not this rifle will be more orientated for disance or hunting.
For hunting the Swarovski will be the number one, especially in low light. For long distance shooting though, there are other's with better features.
Bushnell 6500
Check it out and you tell me. After you look at it, try a Zeiss, Swarovski, NF etc. Then go back. If you want something cheaper to start with until you get your "uber" scope. You might want to consider a Falcon Menace 4-14X 44m FFP. Reviews have been very favourable. I plan on trying one out on a rifle as soon as they are available. This should work for both hunting and long range. After you get your super scope you can put it on something else.
. Might be a good interm decision, until you decide what features you want/need and wether or not this rifle will be more orientated for disance or hunting.Thanks for the assistance. Could you be specific about which swar to get under which conditions and for what purpose and what other scopes have appropriate features.Swarovski's glass is fantastic. Others in that league are the Zeiss Diavara(sp?), Nightforce, S&B and probably a few others. All very good stuff.
For hunting the Swarovski will be the number one, especially in low light. For long distance shooting though, there are other's with better features.
Bushnell 6500
If you want something cheaper to start with until you get your "uber" scope. You might want to consider a Falcon Menace 4-14X 44m FFP. Reviews have been very favourable. I plan on trying one out on a rifle as soon as they are available. This should work for both hunting and long range. After you get your super scope you can put it on something else.
Can you also tell me what power to get if may get shot up close the odd time. Is this a good one
http://www.sirmailorder.ca/show_pro...32&PHPSESSID=3649b21be1662a7d439def33c4d55d12
This is the scope that I just put on my Remington 5R milspec, 6.5-20x 50mm 1000 yard Rapid Z reticle. It's an excellent scope and the price is right. The only concern I would have is that most hunters I know like the 3-9x and some the 4-14x. However, a buddy of mine hunts with a Ruger in 338 Federal and he has a lower powered Zeiss Conquest 4-10x I think but not positive. He's looking at going for the 6.50-20x so go figure. Considering your cross shooting goals. I would consider this the right scope. The 1000 yard reticle I believe is geared more for .308 but it may work with 7mm, I'm not sure. Get your ammo specs and run it on the Zeiss Rapid Z calculater on their site. This will show you how closely the hold overs correspond to the ammo. Also make sure to check the twist rate for the rifle and pick a suitable bullet weight. This will give you a better idea of the proper reticle. I'm fairly sure the 1000 yard one is what you want, but check it out first before buying.
I'm not really familiar with the Swar scopes since they seem to be more geared for hunting. That being said their glass is truly amazing (I've looked through a couple). The price however is pretty high. The Eurpean made Zeiss Davaria scopes are in the same league.
Leupold is also a good scope. However I prefer the Zeiss Conquest over the Leupold VXIII. You'll have to try one out to see which you like the best.
Another interm scope that I plan on ordering for a few of my rifles is the Falcon Menace 4-14x 44mm FFP with the MP20 reticle. It's received great reviews, very good glass, and an excellent scope for the money, 30mm tube with lots of adjustments, side parrallex adjustment from 10 yards to infiniti. $383. Allengunworks a site sponsor is selling them. Just do a search on them. This scope may be the right choice. It'll allow you to go long distances, while going down to 4x for a greater field of view if you're hunting. If you don't like it, you can always throw it on a .22 or resell it. Right now as long as this scope lives up to it's billing, it is the best bang for the buck and very versatile. Just a financially cheaper alternative. Keep in mind it's a good scope but not as good as the others you've mentioned.
Check out all of the optics reviews on this site. Also the 6mm BR site has an excellent optics page. Definately worth the read. I don't know if I can link it. PM me if you can't find the site.
The Night Force is a top tier scope. However I just can't justify putting those on anything other than super accurate rifles. The rifle you ordered deserves a top quality scope, but I don't believe it "needs" a NF. This depends on your future goals with this rifle, and your finances.
You're on the right track
. I would personally match that 7mm up with the Zeiss Scope that you listed and be very happy, while keeping the costs fairly reasonable. But that would be more suited for paper and some distance shooting.
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low number on scope specs
Can you tell me what the low number means on the scope specs? I was leaning towards the swar but they dont have a model that starts with the first number being low. If i see a 16 point buck 75 yards a way would I be swimming trying to find it in the scope?
The 1000 yard reticle I believe is geared more for .308 but it may work with 7mm, I'm not sure. Get your ammo specs and run it on the Zeiss Rapid Z calculater on their site. This will show you how closely the hold overs correspond to the ammo. Also make sure to check the twist rate for the rifle and pick a suitable bullet weight. This will give you a better idea of the proper reticle. I'm fairly sure the 1000 yard one is what you want, but check it out first before buying.
I'm not really familiar with the Swar scopes since they seem to be more geared for hunting. That being said their glass is truly amazing (I've looked through a couple). The price however is pretty high. The Eurpean made Zeiss Davaria scopes are in the same league.
Leupold is also a good scope. However I prefer the Zeiss Conquest over the Leupold VXIII. You'll have to try one out to see which you like the best.
Another interm scope that I plan on ordering for a few of my rifles is the Falcon Menace 4-14x 44mm FFP with the MP20 reticle. It's received great reviews, very good glass, and an excellent scope for the money, 30mm tube with lots of adjustments, side parrallex adjustment from 10 yards to infiniti. $383. Allengunworks a site sponsor is selling them. Just do a search on them. This scope may be the right choice. It'll allow you to go long distances, while going down to 4x for a greater field of view if you're hunting. If you don't like it, you can always throw it on a .22 or resell it. Right now as long as this scope lives up to it's billing, it is the best bang for the buck and very versatile. Just a financially cheaper alternative. Keep in mind it's a good scope but not as good as the others you've mentioned.
Check out all of the optics reviews on this site. Also the 6mm BR site has an excellent optics page. Definately worth the read. I don't know if I can link it. PM me if you can't find the site.
The Night Force is a top tier scope. However I just can't justify putting those on anything other than super accurate rifles. The rifle you ordered deserves a top quality scope, but I don't believe it "needs" a NF. This depends on your future goals with this rifle, and your finances.
You're on the right track
when you are looking at scope specs they usually come in this format: 3-9x50 or 6-24x40
the three to nine is the magnification on a variable scope, so at the low end of the adjustment it is a 3 power scope, with a pretty wide field of view, and at the high end it is a 9 power scope which is zoomed in 3 times as much with a smaller field of view. the 50 is the size of the objective lens, a larger lens will gather more light and be better for low light conditions.
I use a 3-9x50 on my main hunting rifle, and I always have it set at 3 so if I see an animal at close range its easier to find it in the scope, and if its farther away there is more chance to crank the magnification up if need be
I havent looked at swaro scopes but I imagine they would have a variable with fairly low power
2-7x36, 3-9x40, 3.5-10x50, 4.5-14x40 are all pretty common hunting setups for reasonable distances
hope that helps
the three to nine is the magnification on a variable scope, so at the low end of the adjustment it is a 3 power scope, with a pretty wide field of view, and at the high end it is a 9 power scope which is zoomed in 3 times as much with a smaller field of view. the 50 is the size of the objective lens, a larger lens will gather more light and be better for low light conditions.
I use a 3-9x50 on my main hunting rifle, and I always have it set at 3 so if I see an animal at close range its easier to find it in the scope, and if its farther away there is more chance to crank the magnification up if need be
I havent looked at swaro scopes but I imagine they would have a variable with fairly low power
2-7x36, 3-9x40, 3.5-10x50, 4.5-14x40 are all pretty common hunting setups for reasonable distances
hope that helps
Redlaker1 summed it up well.
Mackillian.
Most of my rifles are geared more towards paper punching or varmint hunting. My opinions tend to reflect these uses rather than hunting.
After thinking it over a while in your case I would lean towards the 4-14x with a 44mm or 50mm objective. This should let you get decent range shooting, long distance and still work well for hunting. The 6.5-20x I think is better for paper punching and varmint types of "hunting".
Mackillian.
Most of my rifles are geared more towards paper punching or varmint hunting. My opinions tend to reflect these uses rather than hunting.
After thinking it over a while in your case I would lean towards the 4-14x with a 44mm or 50mm objective. This should let you get decent range shooting, long distance and still work well for hunting. The 6.5-20x I think is better for paper punching and varmint types of "hunting"
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