backdoorsally
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- South East Alberta
3 weeks is really fast. Im not really intrested in an impact action though
Who sells actions in canada
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3 weeks is really fast. Im not really intrested in an impact action though
- Location
- British Columbia
We have lots of options as well if we can help you out backdoorsally, feel free to call or send us a PM/email
Insite generally has a couple defiance actions on hand as well. Best bet is to give them a call. I believe they usually say 4-6 weeks turn around time if they have all the pieces in stock.
I can vouch that their rifles shoot lights out. The two 6.5 Creed barrels they did for me on my surgeon both print one hole (<.25MOA) groups.
It's too bad really that these action makers don't go to the trouble of properly illustrating the advantages and well thought out features they have right on their web site.
It's always some YouTuber or a guy at the range who points it out.
They try and sell the sizzle instead of the steak. Just show me how that steak is different from the other steak. I don't want to watch some fat guy in the factory screwing on a barrel from 20 feet away. Just zoom in on the action and show us what it does.
Some of these actions allow the user to remove the firing pin assembly without any tools. Not Defiance. Some of these actions have roller bearings on the cam for the bolt handle... not Defiance.
It's always some YouTuber or a guy at the range who points it out.
They try and sell the sizzle instead of the steak. Just show me how that steak is different from the other steak. I don't want to watch some fat guy in the factory screwing on a barrel from 20 feet away. Just zoom in on the action and show us what it does.
Some of these actions allow the user to remove the firing pin assembly without any tools. Not Defiance. Some of these actions have roller bearings on the cam for the bolt handle... not Defiance.
So sell your defiance and get an impact
A properly spec'ed Defiance can be really slick. The Defiance on my .300NM rifle, which has polished rails and a DLC finish, combined with a properly timed trigger leaves nothing on the table when it comes to "slick/smoothness".
The features of a Defiance and an Impact are very similar. There's some small nuances that make them different. I think the biggest thing that Impact has over Defiance is it's tolerance to adverse conditions. In my experience, Defiance's can be a little tight and can struggle if it gets really dusty. For a SA push feed action that's going to see some rough conditions, it's hard to bet Impacts (or for that matter the LP Fuzion).
Lot's of excellent actions out there these days. Get the one that best suits your objectives and preferences.
I recommend KS arms all the way. I never lost a single f-class match last year and that includes shooting
the Saskatchewan provincials, Western championships and the Canadian Nationals.
It's funny that everyone wants to deal with the middlemen and import actions from the US and overseas when they could just buy directly from the manufacturer here in Canada who also make world-class barrels. If you have an action wrench and barrel vise they can even send you a new prefit barrel without sending in your action once your old barrel is shot out. That right there brings costs down dramatically in the long run.
I had an issue with one of my KS actions, my own doing of course(I like to push the limits), and had it fixed up and good as new in a matter of days by the boys at KS. I can only imagine what the hassles would have been if it were an imported action. In fact I broke an extractor on my panda action two years ago. It was a month before I managed to get a new one.
To each their own but personally I'm done with sending money outside the country when we have proven world class barrels and actions right here.
the Saskatchewan provincials, Western championships and the Canadian Nationals.
It's funny that everyone wants to deal with the middlemen and import actions from the US and overseas when they could just buy directly from the manufacturer here in Canada who also make world-class barrels. If you have an action wrench and barrel vise they can even send you a new prefit barrel without sending in your action once your old barrel is shot out. That right there brings costs down dramatically in the long run.
I had an issue with one of my KS actions, my own doing of course(I like to push the limits), and had it fixed up and good as new in a matter of days by the boys at KS. I can only imagine what the hassles would have been if it were an imported action. In fact I broke an extractor on my panda action two years ago. It was a month before I managed to get a new one.
To each their own but personally I'm done with sending money outside the country when we have proven world class barrels and actions right here.
Hard to ignore years of bolt action rifle making experience in the usa. Exclusive making of actions 20 plus years. Canada is only learning. Great to see KS arms getting into the game. Copying designs only gets you so far. Dip in the oil and gas industry pushes companies into different directions. Lucky for them exchange rates are poor. If conditions of 2010 ever come around look out. Always interesting to see canadian product priced at or just below what it costs to bring in usa product. Mdt is one of the few companies that don't maximize their profit like some do. Cadex and mdt apparently even have engineers on staff.
Truthfully, anyone who is reasonably competent in machining can make actions, it's not very complicated. There are very few truly new ideas as it has almost certainly been done before and patents are long expired. It doesn't take 20 years to get the hang of it either. More than anything it just takes the will to proceed. Inspect a variety of competitors products and reverse engineer the interesting features. That's really all most of these manufacturers do anyway, particularly with bolt action rifles.
If there is any challenge at all, it's in doing it for a profit at a reasonable price. To do it well, you'd need a small but high quality live 5 or 6 axis milling machine and a wire cut EDM machine. And let's not forget the appropriate license from the Govt.
Once you get that far, the rest is academic.
i have three Insite Arms customs - two built off Surgeon 591 actions and one off of a Remington 700 action. I am superbly happy with quality ( fit, finish, workmanship), service and accuracy. In my opinion you will be very hard pressed to find a better custom builder in Canada
Copying and reproducing does require a level of competence. Bat Machine, Borden, Defiance, Surgeon, Barnard etc. can be ordered from several supplies - Hirsch precison, big horn, real precision shooting, em precision, corlanes, gobigtactical to name a few. Most have inventory. Prophet river will also import for you. Quality and years of perfection is only a phone call away. Then the real job of finding a smith who actually knows what he is talking about.
Don't forget about pgw in winnipeg. they have a limited number of models but have been the longest producer in Canada from my recollection.
Don't forget about pgw in winnipeg. they have a limited number of models but have been the longest producer in Canada from my recollection.
