Who sells actions in canada

rocnrol said:
The original OP asked about good actions. When I look at your posts, you obviously have a lot of experience in precision shooting, rifles and components.

I just think for someone like yourself to disparage a product purely on a bunch of stories is disingenuous. I think for someone like George Gardner to endorse the Curtis action as one of the best on the market holds a tremendous amount of more water than a bunch of stories on the internet...
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They are more then just stories, and one of my shooting buddies got not one, but two brand new Curtis Custom actions that were junk straight from the factory.

I've been hearing lot's of discouraging things about Curtis for years now, from the beginning from those that were close to the manufacturing of the actions. I was curious when it was going to start unraveling on them, and lately there's been more and more people coming out complaining about the quality of the Curtis actions. Sounds like it's gotten worse since Joel Russo left, especially the customer service side, since he was one of the only ones that would pick up a phone over there.

Sounds like you got a good one, and you are obviously very happy with it. There's others out there as well that have been perfectly happy with their Curtis experience. I see a lot of red flags being raised with Curtis Customs, and have for years. It's completely inconsequential to me what actions people buy, I don't make money off of anything firearm related. But I still can't recommend them in good faith, not with all the other great action companies out there.

I'll continue to recommend other actions over the Curtis. If people want to buy Curtis actions, that's cool, no sweat off of my back. I hope it works out for them and I hope they get great actions that they are happy with. Recommending a product that I know that has a history of issues is something that I can't do.
 
I got a Kelbly Atlas Tactical for my first custom action and I love it! Will be buying another for sure.

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remington jim said:
Where's kthomas ? In WHAT way are those CURTIS actions JUNK ? RJ
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I'll have to talk to him about the Axiom. He had to send it in as it developed problems to the point that it was unshootable, he decide to upgrade it for the Vector and the bolt face from that was shaped like a radar dish.

He works for a big precision rifle retail company in the US, and has had his hands on most actions out there, and has had rifles built on most of them. Curtis is one of the few custom action companies that he has bad things to say about.

Every company produced lemons, and when introducing new products there's going to be teething issues. How a company addresses those issues says volumes. Curtis' customer support is more then lacking, especially with Joel Russo gone.

I'm glad that some of you are happy with your Curtis'. More then a few people are. The brand is not immune to issues, and it concerns me how they are handling them (or lack thereof). I hope you never have any issues with them.

I've heard enough bad things from within my circle from people I trust that I would never recommend them. But that's just me and my opinion, formulated from within my shooting circles.
 
backdoorsally said:
Okay, sounds like your not to intrested in selling just an action than?

Just curious, if selling a product to make money is the goal of most buisnesses. And you are selling out of actions before the next order arives. Whats the reasoning for not just ordering twice as many actions if you can sell them as fast as you can get them anyways?
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Anyone can sell actions in Canada.
There are guys that sell over 100 Defiance Actions per year alone out of their mobile home as their store-front.
The reality is such that with ITAR regulations, exporter and broker commission & shipping, it has become very expensive and sometimes impractical to import actions into Canada at a high volume with the goal to keep stock awaiting a sale.
Factor in the base-cost, currency exchange rate, bank-conversion commission, certified carrier, broker commission & the fact that the pre-paid product may not arrive for 4 to 15 weeks depending on the will of the State Department and CBPS/Customs.....the exercise of bringing in actions for retail sale in Canada is only done by people with a true love of the industry with an interest to bring high-quality products to Canada. Retailing US-made actions is by no means a lucrative or economically viable business model that any financial advisor would ever condone.
We normally have multiple action options for our customers specifying a project as we maintain our inventory with an intended goal ratio of: actions:
stocks & chassis:barrels at ratio of approximately 1.5:2:6 ........To allow a practical # of options for our customers to assemble their desired rifle. We have between 170 - 200 barrels in stock at all times not including CF barrels.
To sell actions separately leaves us with barrels and stocks/chassis that are not paired with corresponding components, hampering our ability to deliver complete rifle builds within a reasonable timeline - which is how we built our name and reputation in this industry.
Our objective was never to be an importation service. We list our overstock actions online so as to not compromise our ability to complete custom build opportunities.
Anyone can import an action and resell it. Not anyone can assemble a world-class rifle that will rival or exceed anything on the market today. Most of our complete builds are guaranteed 3/8 moa or better @ 100m.
We appreciate all our fellow firearms related business-piers who import actions and related items into Canada as it strengthens our industry and promotes the firearms culture in our country.
 
Insite Arms said:
Anyone can sell actions in Canada.
There are guys that sell over 100 Defiance Actions per year alone out of their mobile home as their store-front.
The reality is such that with ITAR regulations, exporter and broker commission & shipping, it has become very expensive and sometimes impractical to import actions into Canada at a high volume with the goal to keep stock awaiting a sale.
Factor in the base-cost, currency exchange rate, bank-conversion commission, certified carrier, broker commission & the fact that the pre-paid product may not arrive for 4 to 15 weeks depending on the will of the State Department and CBPS/Customs.....the exercise of bringing in actions for retail sale in Canada is only done by people with a true love of the industry with an interest to bring high-quality products to Canada. Retailing US-made actions is by no means a lucrative or economically viable business model that any financial advisor would ever condone.
We normally have multiple action options for our customers specifying a project as we maintain our inventory with an intended goal ratio of: actions:
stocks & chassis:barrels at ratio of approximately 1.5:2:6 ........To allow a practical # of options for our customers to assemble their desired rifle. We have between 170 - 200 barrels in stock at all times not including CF barrels.
To sell actions separately leaves us with barrels and stocks/chassis that are not paired with corresponding components, hampering our ability to deliver complete rifle builds within a reasonable timeline - which is how we built our name and reputation in this industry.
Our objective was never to be an importation service. We list our overstock actions online so as to not compromise our ability to complete custom build opportunities.
Anyone can import an action and resell it. Not anyone can assemble a world-class rifle that will rival or exceed anything on the market today. Most of our complete builds are guaranteed 3/8 moa or better @ 100m.
We appreciate all our fellow firearms related business-piers who import actions and related items into Canada as it strengthens our industry and promotes the firearms culture in our country.
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Well said! Thank you for your first class services and professionalism!
 
The post by Insite is informative and insightful(get it?) We have imported Borden but ceased to do so as the margin was 6% - nice product and we still have a few. Also we import a few Pierce actions but our main product is Barnard, however this is difficult as the only freight forwarder that can handle NZ actions in Montreal charges $1,000 per shipment and then there is courier and customs.

Many top TR and FClass shooters use Barnard but they are not tactical-cool. For quality they cannot be beat according to top engineers who I do not have permission to name, but are known to top FClass competitors.

Best regards,

Peter
 
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As this thread was started to ask about who sells Defiance and Big Horn... I'll also advocate for Gary at BigHorn Sales. Have bought half a dozen or more actions from Gary and never any issues. Have a few more on order and expect them shortly as well, including a few Terminus actions.

Tom at GoBig Tactical also seems to be great to deal with, just never finalized an order yet. I likely will one day.

The guys at Insite have been great as well, hope to finalize an order with them shortly. I'd also have them build up what I order from them, as I'd like to support their BUILD process.

Curtis does indeed have a terrible reputation as of late. Although never having owned one myself, I am not willing to take a chance on one right now based on what I've heard. True or not, there's too many other actions out there with stellar reputations to take a chance.
 
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Insite Arms said:
Anyone can sell actions in Canada.
There are guys that sell over 100 Defiance Actions per year alone out of their mobile home as their store-front.
The reality is such that with ITAR regulations, exporter and broker commission & shipping, it has become very expensive and sometimes impractical to import actions into Canada at a high volume with the goal to keep stock awaiting a sale.
Factor in the base-cost, currency exchange rate, bank-conversion commission, certified carrier, broker commission & the fact that the pre-paid product may not arrive for 4 to 15 weeks depending on the will of the State Department and CBPS/Customs.....the exercise of bringing in actions for retail sale in Canada is only done by people with a true love of the industry with an interest to bring high-quality products to Canada. Retailing US-made actions is by no means a lucrative or economically viable business model that any financial advisor would ever condone.
We normally have multiple action options for our customers specifying a project as we maintain our inventory with an intended goal ratio of: actions:
stocks & chassis:barrels at ratio of approximately 1.5:2:6 ........To allow a practical # of options for our customers to assemble their desired rifle. We have between 170 - 200 barrels in stock at all times not including CF barrels.
To sell actions separately leaves us with barrels and stocks/chassis that are not paired with corresponding components, hampering our ability to deliver complete rifle builds within a reasonable timeline - which is how we built our name and reputation in this industry.
Our objective was never to be an importation service. We list our overstock actions online so as to not compromise our ability to complete custom build opportunities.
Anyone can import an action and resell it. Not anyone can assemble a world-class rifle that will rival or exceed anything on the market today. Most of our complete builds are guaranteed 3/8 moa or better @ 100m.
We appreciate all our fellow firearms related business-piers who import actions and related items into Canada as it strengthens our industry and promotes the firearms culture in our country.
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Well, as the post stated, im not looking for a complete rifle build. Im looking for somone with a fairly large invintory of actions who may happen to have exactly what im looking for.

But now that you mention "world class rifles that rival or exceed anything on the market" "3/8 moa or better" "over 200 barrels with multiple action options"

#### I pretty much have to buy one now and see if they are anything even close to what you claim.

Usually the most humble gunsmiths are the ones turning out the best product not the other way around. I guess there is only one way to find out!!!

So what do you call a reasonable timeline?
 
backdoorsally said:
Well, as the post stated, im not looking for a complete rifle build. Im looking for somone with a fairly large invintory of actions who may happen to have exactly what im looking for.

But now that you mention "world class rifles that rival or exceed anything on the market" "3/8 moa or better" "over 200 barrels with multiple action options"

#### I pretty much have to buy one now and see if they are anything even close to what you claim.

Usually the most humble gunsmiths are the ones turning out the best product not the other way around. I guess there is only one way to find out!!!

So what do you call a reasonable timeline?
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You will be very happy if you have them build you a rifle. Go with a 6.5x47 or one of the 6br variants and I know it will shoot one hole groups. Insite Arms built 2 rifles for me and both shoot better than 3/8 moa. They just built rifles for 2 of my friends
 
I am one of the friends Tony1320 is mentioning. Insite Arms just put together a PRS rifle for me. It’s a 6.5x47 Lapua using an Impact 737R action, Krieger 7.5 twist MTU barrel cerakoted black, TriggerTech Diamond trigger, Heathen muzzle break and an MPA scope mount. Turnaround time was less than 3 weeks from the time I provided a deposit to when it was packaged and shipped.

All items listed were specified by me and we’re in stock. Not saying you can expect them to have everything is stock, but they did have everything for my build. They promptly answered my questions whether they were by phone, E-mail or text. I can attest to the accuracy of Tony’s rifles and I am confident mine will be the same. Rifle is currently in the hands of Canada post and will be in my hands next week.
 
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