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took my marlin 336 into the new wholesale location at deerfoot meadows yesterday to see if they could shed some light on why might marlin with reciever sight was shooting high and to the right no matter how i adjusted the sight. anyways, heres what they told me. i kinda knew right off the bat they were full of it. apparently the micro-groove rifling in my 336 doesn't do well with modern hunting ammunition(this was from them)because the high velocity of the bullet is not able to bite into the rifling. then he looks at the crown, and says "hey buddy, you need to get your barrel re-crowned!" and he calls one of his all knowing co-workers over, and says "what do you think of the crown on this barrel?" he takes a quick look and says "looks fine to me, except for a bit of copper fouling at the muzzle" so then they bring over a new 336 from the rack and say "this new 336 has ballard cut rifling wich will work much better with your hunting ammunition, and its only $419!" first off, i knew the entire 336 line has micro-groove rifling, i knew micro-groove rifling performs fine with a copper jacket. don't let the knew pretty store fool you, the same idiots still work behind the gun counter and it blows me away the level they're sunk to. i thought i left my "chump" necklace at home...

thats the last time i'll prompt them with a question about my iron, those guys are only good at bringing stock up from the back!
 
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One should know a lot more about rifles if they are behind the counter..... BUT.... One question comes up.... How much money are they making? How many hours a day they have to spend there to make a decent week's pay? I don't think there's much time left for reading.
Anyone who has ever worked a low paid job knows what I'm talking about.

Back to the issue... What do you mean it shoots high and right regardless of sight adjustment? A gunsmith is probably going to shed some light on this.... and a gunsmith is rarely found selling wholesale....
 
About a year or two now, I wen't in there just to play. I proceeded to pi$$ the one clown off by making hm look as stupid as possible. From showing how to strip a Glock, to how a single trigger, double shotgun reset's itself. His superviser or manager said somthing along the lines of "You all should know this stuff" :D Their clowns who couldn't fight their arse with both hands and a map.
 
Silverado said:
That should be their motto.
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WSS (Edmonton) motto: "Low prices, lower intelligence. And no, it's not in stock.":p

(With the exception of our own Airborn 69 & the one other chap.)


I keep wondering why I shop there, frequently?
 
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archerynut said:
i knew micro-groove rifling performs fine with a copper jacket.
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I have had a few Micro grooved Marlins and ALL of them shot very well with Cast Bullets as well, if sized properly for the Bore ;)

Honestly with jacketed ammo I didn't notice that my Marlin Cowboys shot any better then the older Micro grooved models did either.
 
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Back to the issue... What do you mean it shoots high and right regardless of sight adjustment? A gunsmith is probably going to shed some light on this.... and a gunsmith is rarely found selling wholesale....
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well heres the thing. i mounted a lyman 66A reciever site to my rifle awhile back. it was bought brand new. i shot it for the first time at the shooting edge. started at 25 yards to make sure i was on paper, and i was, except every shot was high and to the right about 10 inches. my shots were grouping really nicely, just not where i wanted them to. i tried adjusting my site, and the adjustment screw worked, but i wasn't getting results on paper. so i tried my target out to 50 yards and none of my shots were even touching paper! i adjusted the elevation. nothing! now the adjustments on the sight work. i'm baffled. so, its at pro-line shooters here in calgary. there is copper fouling at the muzzle, but the hoppes elite i was using couldn't budge the buildup. so heres to hoping they can find out whats wrong, because its out of my league.
 
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so heres to hoping they can find out whats wrong, because its out of my league.
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Try shooting at a sheet of plywood to see if you are at least getting a "Group" ?

Another thought ? Did you also change the front blade ? Often the use of a rear aperture type sight requires a taller front blade on Marlins to "Correct" the alignment.
 
i took it into a gunshop to inquire about the front site. they told me all looked good, but i think unless you've been shooting reciever sights for some time, those words don't hold much water unless theres real experience. the one issue with my front sight is the dovetail mount isn't really secure, meaning i can move the bead back and forth with my fingers...
 
archerynut said:
...the one issue with my front sight is the dovetail mount isn't really secure, meaning i can move the bead back and forth with my fingers...
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:eek: "Huston, we have a problem!" You should be able to set that right by removing the sight blade and carefully peening the top of the dovetail with a punch to tighten things up. Go slowly and try the fit of the sight between "peens."

:) Stuart
 
You are a complete fuccktard if ¥ou want to get gunsmith advice from a retail store...Why blame WSS for your complete lack of knowledge?

Your issue is simple. Your sights are screwed.

Deal with it like a man,not a biatch.
 
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thats the last time i'll prompt them with a question about my iron, those guys are only good at bringing stock up from the back!
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That's exactly their job..if you want tech advice & data, you should go see a gunsmith.
 
Airborn_69 said:
That's exactly their job..if you want tech advice & data, you should go see a gunsmith.
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Problem with that being, there are 3 or 4 guys at WSS Ed that would assume they are gunsmiths (and act as such). I have seen them lead more than a few folk astray. I've not seen a properly installed scope come out of that place.

The last place I would bring any of my guns if they had a problem would be WSS. I'd sooner take them to Can-Trash in Red Deer. Luckily, I fix most things myself.
 
Gatehouse said:
You are a complete fuccktard if ¥ou want to get gunsmith advice from a retail store...Why blame WSS for your complete lack of knowledge?

Your issue is simple. Your sights are screwed.

Deal with it like a man,not a biatch.
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please do me a favour, and piss off until you have something truly helpful to add. thanks
 
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archerynut said:
took my marlin 336 into the new wholesale location at deerfoot meadows yesterday to see if they could shed some light on why might marlin with reciever sight was shooting high and to the right no matter how i adjusted the sight. anyways, heres what they told me. i kinda knew right off the bat they were full of it. apparently the micro-groove rifling in my 336 doesn't do well with modern hunting ammunition(this was from them)because the high velocity of the bullet is not able to bite into the rifling. then he looks at the crown, and says "hey buddy, you need to get your barrel re-crowned!" and he calls one of his all knowing co-workers over, and says "what do you think of the crown on this barrel?" he takes a quick look and says "looks fine to me, except for a bit of copper fouling at the muzzle" so then they bring over a new 336 from the rack and say "this new 336 has ballard cut rifling wich will work much better with your hunting ammunition, and its only $419!" first off, i knew the entire 336 line has micro-groove rifling, i knew micro-groove rifling performs fine with a copper jacket. don't let the knew pretty store fool you, the same idiots still work behind the gun counter and it blows me away the level they're sunk to. i thought i left my "chump" necklace at home...

thats the last time i'll prompt them with a question about my iron, those guys are only good at bringing stock up from the back!
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The 336XLR is Balllard type rilfled.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/xlr/336.aspx

I've always found the mirco-grooved barrels to be very accurate.

I prefer Marlin over Winchester.
 
Problem with that being, there are 3 or 4 guys at WSS Ed that would assume they are gunsmiths (and act as such). I have seen them lead more than a few folk astray. I've not seen a properly installed scope come out of that place.
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You are correct, I've seen this at all other gunstores I've checked out..It is sad but some ''behind the counter'' people think they have a god status because they work there.

The last place I would bring any of my guns if they had a problem would be WSS.
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Unfortunately, WSS-Edmonton's gunsmith past away a few years back & the store is not bringing any in the near future because of $$
 
Archerynut: The Marlin 336W is by the far the cheapest Marlin I've seen yet..Being mass produced & the cheap wood replacement even though they added a sling as a bonus, it was designed to hit the market as a lower cost bush rifle.
The action is good but like Savage, a few will have flaws thus the burden of mass production theory kicks in.

Sorry to hear about your sight problem.

My .02 cents
 
the 336 w and a are the same rifle, except they use a beechwood stock, and a metal fore end cap. The action, guts, mag tube and follower and barrel are all the same. There are no flaws in any other respect. You would think WSS staff should know this...:popCorn:
 
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